by AK - Jeff 35 Replies latest jw experiences
that Christians throw the old 'where did the matter come from if there was a Big Bang'?, while having no problem with thinking that God was always there!
So the dust in the room had to have a 'maker'? But the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?
Purple delusions! Wow.
Jeff
Is the beginning as fascinating as the end ?
But the super-computer brain sky-daddy is just there and always has been?
Nu-Lite says that god isn't the beginning and the end, but that he exists outside of time and is not subject to it, that time flows like a river and that god is on the banks of the river, time is flowing, but he isn't in it.
I think that is their desperate attempt to neutralize the more advanced science and knowledge coming to light.
I have been just a little disappointed in some of the casual rhetoric coming out of the semi-science semi-creationist crowd about the big bang. On another forum a strictly science thread on the big bang theory was turned into creationism and/or new-age metaphysics within a page or two.
I think a lot of people just find rational science by theory and experimental discovery dry and uninteresting - it must be so much more fun to speculate on the paranormal or invisible beings and so on.
At least there is always the small percentage that finds enjoyment in provable and reasonable facts.
Where did the matter come from?
We know that it wasn't always there, or else there would not have been a "beginning".
God is irreleavant in this regards, well, unless you believe in God, LOL !
But I don't wanna use God as a "God of the gaps", it is an honest question, where did matter come from and what "started" the big bang?
I am reading this book, I haven't gotten too far but I like it. It may help me understand some of what happened:
To be fair to both sides, science generally believes that the start of the universe was the start of time itself. It is difficult for us to think in terms of eternity, but it is even more difficult to think in terms of "the beginning of time itself." But the point I lean on is the one you are making- while neither believer nor nonbeliever can fullly explain where it all came from, the believer contradicts himself when he insists that everything had to have a creator, yet the creator was always there.
We know that it wasn't always there, or else there would not have been a "beginning".
The beginning of what? If you are referring to the point in the past when the big bang occurred, the answer is "we don't know", the same answer we give when you say "what happens inside of a singularity". The physics we know break down and can't describe that event or what happened before it.
Some day we MAY know, but right now we don't. We actually don't even know exactly how big the universe is...we only know how big the visible universe is :)
the believer contradicts himself when he insists that everything had to have a creator, yet the creator was always there.
Exactly. It is in effect a cheap and easy way to dodge the very question they are attempting to answer.
Serious cosmologists are actually trying to understand what happened immediately after the instant of the big bang, not before it. Scientifically, anything beyond that is in the realm of fantasy and speculation.
I find hard sciences like biology and physics just as fascinating as metaphysics and theology, and I've studied them all.
Why would one kind of knowledge be more "fun" than the other? I'm not sure why someone would think hard science isn't fun enough. How else can you blow shit up? LOL
I believe the only real questions to ask are how an independent life is made from two fused cells via sexual reproduction, because apparently the process at that point goes down to the sub atomic level where we haven't the means to view it. Biologists know what happens before the fusion of egg and sperm, and even how they fuse and afterwards, but the process where the blastocyst becomes a separate an unique potential life hasn't been observed yet.
The other big question is what happened that nano second AFTER the big bang. Seems we can go right down to that moment as far as explaining what happened, but no further, for some reason. Might be the same stumbling block as the problem with figuring out how an individual life begins...somethings that happen on a sub atomic level we haven't the tools to observe yet.
NO, I'm not saying it's God, for all those with the God allergy out there, but it means there's still a few bits in the "stuff we don't know" bin.
Is our existence as humans bigger or smaller then we conceive it to be ?
Is the belief in Big Bang simple or complex ? The same applies to creation.
To me it seems that Big Bang means we understand all and creation means there are things we can not conceive.
