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I am not very good with politics but on another forum they are discussing this too and someoen brought up "all the UN resolutions against Israel", what does that mean?
I don't follow politics but has there been any brought against Israel and if yes how many and for what?
the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq
I did see one more thing...Saddam and the Kurds. Saddam got his gas from the French with Reagan's full knowledge. It was part of Reagan's "tilt" policy wherein he ( and Israel) feared Iran more than Iraq, so even though to signed onto the UN's neutrality agreement, they funneled intelligence (sattelite photographs) and dual-use technology to Saddam (despite the State Depts. objections) VP Bush pressured EXIM's president (his college bud) go give them loans, and provided them CCC credits to purchase U.S. agricultural products (Agriculture lobbyists).
1988, the US secretly provided assistance to Saddam in his chemical warfare campaign against the Iranian army (US Lt. Col. Francona and DIA). When Saddam used the gas against the Kurds, they were in Iraq and knew about it. "The American DIA officers neither condoned nor condemned the chemical weapons, though some were appaled at the civilian deaths. They were aware and explained to me later, that Saddam was adding chemical "fires" to the [military] plans they either reviewed or discussed. Their reporting to Washington on the Iraqi chemical weapons program amplified what the Reagan administration had known sincde 1983--the Iraq was making extensive use of poison gas." Patrick Tyler, A World of Trouble, p. 338. When an outcry arose in Congress, DICK CHENEY, Republican whip, was able to block calls for santions. GOOOO DICKY!!!!
"At the time, the Reagan strategy was regarding as realpolitik, but as time passed, it was apparent that Reagan and his top aides had rationalized their involvement with a client state that was blatantly employing weapons of mass destruction against its own people and against Iran. Of all the policy makers who were involved, only Prince Bandar [Saudi] has publicly expressed any regret...Looking back, Bandar said simply, "This was not my proudest moment..We let humanity down." Ibid., p. 338.
Of all involved...ONLY THE BACKWARD ARAB HAS THE BALLS TO ADMIT COMPLICITY AND GUILT. :) Often times, the US. is guilty of spreading something else that is really stinky...in addition to "democracy." :)
The situation in Israel boils down to (aside from whatever agreements & deals have taken place) the jews want that piece of land for themselves & their culture the muslims want that piece of land for themselves & their culture, and neither group is going to let go. They won' t live together now because they both want their own world.
The only way Israel will hang on to that land is to become more ruthless & lose their soul. They are in effect occupires but now really where could they go. The palestinians are not getting just treatment but if Israel opens up everything freely & justly they will be over run & lose their world & they fear that because the palestinians will become the majority.
this situation is not good for either side. Its too bad it has come to this and so much death & suffering has taken place.
Obama Promises $400 Million Aid Package for the Palestinians
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/world/middleeast/10prexy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
| I am not very good with politics but on another forum they are discussing this too and someoen brought up "all the UN resolutions against Israel", what does that mean? I don't follow politics but has there been any brought against Israel and if yes how many and for what? There are approximately 42 UN resolutions condeming Israel for international violations of law, human rights etc., for everything from their pre-emptive war of 1967 to the 2008 Gazan war. One of the things that really irritates the Arab/Muslim world is the U.S.'s hypocrisy in such things as demanding that Saddam IMMEDIATELY obey U.N. decrees/sanctions while at the same time giving Israel a free pass. IT IS NOT THAT THEY DEFEND SADDAM; it is the U.S.'s hypocrisy that angers them and justifiably they feel that the U.S. can NOT be an honest broker in the Middle East. We have lost all our moral high ground by ALWAYS defending Israel regardless of how badly she acts. |
Obama Promises $400 Million Aid Package for the Palestinians
We give 3 BILLION annually to "poor" Israel, and we have done so for years!!!!!
How many resolutions against the Palestinians?
Obama Promises $400 Million Aid Package for the Palestinians
We give 3 BILLION annually to "poor" Israel, and we have done so for years!!!!!
I hope they all get free health care. My premiums just went up.
Well, I gotta admit, that after reading some of the banned goods that were just taken off the list, some of this stuff is just nuts. Tampons banned? Doritos? What did they expect the Palestinians to do? Make corn chip cannons and let loose a bunch of cotton balls? Everywhere we look there's a fight brewing among someone. sammieswife
One of the arguments one hears a lot from Israel's representatives and supporters is that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza and that the blockade only keeps out dangerous materials. The blockade, according to Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev, is only aimed at preventing the shipment of weapons to Hamas. Netanyahu says the same thing, insisting that civilian goods are allowed in but that Israel "will not allow the establishment of an Iranian port in Gaza."
That narrative took a serious hit yesterday. Today'sAP wire has a story about the Israeli government easing the blockade of Gaza in response to international criticism. The newly permitted items: soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy.
Soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy. Undoubtedly because of their dual use potential as military weapons. (Well, if you shake a bottle of soda really hard...) I cannot help wondering which particular segment of the population of Gaza was being targeted by the exclusion of cookies and candy.
The existence of a humanitarian crisis is well documented (try the 2008 report by eight British human rights groups, or more recent stories carried by The Guardian, and the BBC. To be sure, there is no question that large amounts of materials are smuggled into Gaza through tunnels from Egypt. But of course, smuggled items are vastly more expensive, and the volume cannot come close to making up for the effects of the blockade. Regardless, it is hardly the case that a blockade is somehow justified by virtue of its imperfect efficiency. So yesterday's announcement raises a fascinating question: what, exactly, are the Israelis keeping out of Gaza other than juice, jam, and candy?
The answer is not clear; I have not been able to discover any public list of prohibited items produced by the Israeli government. Weapons, of course, and also "dual use" materials with a special emphasis on construction materials such as cement and steel that Israel says can be uses to build tunnels and arms factories. The exclusion of cement is a source of particular hardship, given the 12,000 homes that were damaged or destroyed during Operation Cast Lead, as well as hospitals, schools, and other public buildings. Beyond that, there appears to be no publicly available, specific list of blockaded items. The BBC has compiled reports from a variety of international organizations. They report that at various times the ban on importation has included light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner. CNN reports that books and paper have also been kept out. Al JAzeera reports that there is a current list of 81 permitted items that seems to change almost daily.
By far the most interesting part of the BBC report is something else. It is a list of items the importation of which was previously blocked but is now permitted, with the time period in which the importation was allowed. These are announcements like the one yesterday that reveal to the world what has been kept out by the announcement that those same items will now be allowed in. It is not at all clear, however, precisely when all of these items were first excluded - that is, because in early 2009 Israel began to allow the importation of chickpeas does not tell us whether the ban on the importation of chickpeas had been an element of the blockade since 2007 or was added later as a punitive response to some particular event. Nonetheless, the list is rather interesting. Again, this is the BBC's report of information complied from international aid groups including UNRWA, Oxfam, and others.
It would be very interesting to hear a response from the Israeli government in the form of an actual list of excluded items other than the now-permitted soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy. In the meantime, we have only these allegations to go on.
So, according to the BBC's report, in early 2009 Israel eased the blockade of Gaza by permitting the importation of chick peas, salt, sugar, cooking oil, cooking fat, flour, pasta, rice, beans, lentils, dairy products, powdered milk, feminine hygiene products, diapers, toilet paper, detergent, dishwashing liquid, shampoo, soap, and toothpaste. In October 2009, tea and coffee allegedly were allowed in. November and December 2009 were alleged to have been banner months, as olives, blankets, matches, candles, broomsticks, rubbish bins, mops, aniseed, cinnamon, unfertilized eggs, potatoes were allowed across the checkpoints. I wonder whether March of 2010 saw a lot of parties, as it is alleged that clothes, shoes, hair brushes and combs were permitted to cross the checkpoints, and in April 2010 limited amounts of wood, aluminium, kitchenware and glass.
This is only a partial recitation: the full, remarkable, list is here. And now, of course, the Israeli government has confirmed that it will no longer keep out soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy
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they have been put together to hammer a troll and are simply not true.
Prove it.
