Who really is the FDS?!?!?!?!?

by LDH 99 Replies latest jw friends

  • trevor
    trevor

    I left the Witnesses after spending the first 30 years of my life with them - many as a pioneer. What troubles me is the eagerness of so many who leave to join another faulty religion. Once you have won your freedom why not treasure it? Books and religion are just the muddled thoughts of men. I urge you not to surrender your birthright to those who tell you that life is dependent on membership of their club.It is sometimes easier to believe what we want to, rather than face reality. Reality is not always agreeable but it is always truthful. There is truth in the silent witness of nature for it simply is and always will be.The search for truth is a personal responsibility and gives meaning to life. Neither the Watchtower Society's ready-made package nor any other short-cut on offer will ever be a true substitute.

    Life has chosen to live in you, therefore you were worthy of life before you were born.You have alraedy been invited to the banquet of life and it is free. The only qualification is that you are alive - and you are - wonderfully alive. I hope that in your journey through life you find peace within yourself, for it is the hallmark of truth.
    I have learned never to miss the moment in search of the future for today was once yesterdays future.

    I will write in again with some more relevent information on the Watchtower Society rather than waxing lyrical but I thank you for reading my ravings I feel a bit better now. Ahhhhh!

    Trevor

    Edited by - trevor on 7 January 2001 9:5:45

  • Venice
    Venice

    I don't know if this has been posted already or not, I've read most of the posts, but not all. I didn't realise how big this was going to get. Here's a link to a wonderful document about the FDS! ENJOY!!!

    http://www.brci.org/Publications/F&DS.pdf
    The Faithful and Discreet Slave and Jehovah's Witnesses by Ronald E. Frye discusses the important Watchtower teaching linking the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses with the "slave" of Jesus' illustration in Matthew 24:45.

    Venice

  • ZazuWitts
    ZazuWitts

    Welcome Trevor,

    Your posted thoughts are much appreciated. There are many here who
    share yhour thoughts regarding finding
    "truth in the silent witness of nature."

    I know for me, the 'truth' about something I'm questioning, or am troubled by, most often seems to manifest itself when I seek out nature and its
    peaceful solice - I am particularly drawn to the mountains - always seem to
    comtemplate wisely in their eons-old
    environ...I find a better perspective in their silent, enduring testimony of time past and future. Looking forward to future postings from you.

  • Venice
    Venice

    This post is pretty long, I'm just warning you now. The WTS teaches that there has always been an FDS. I know we're used to just thinking of it as the WTS, but who was it over the past centuries, as taught by the WTS. A friend sent this to me, and we used it in our Heresy Trial!

    Questions Regarding FDS:

    (1) Does the Society teach that there has always been a "faithful and
    discreet slave" from Pentecost A.D. 33 down to this very day?

    "Down through the years the slavelike congregation has been feeding its true
    members faithfully and discreetly. From Pentecost, A.D. 33, up to this very
    present hour this has been lovingly and carefully performed. Yes, and these
    "domestics" have been fed on progressive spiritual food that keeps them
    abreast of the "bright light that keeps getting lighter and lighter until the
    day is firmly established" (Prov. 4:18). All this has proved to be "food at
    the proper time," as stated by Jesus."

    (Watchtower, 7/15/60, page 435)

    "Jesus Christ is the Head of the congregation, his slave, and his words show
    that he would strengthen them to feed his domestics right down through the
    centuries."

    (Watchtower, 1/15/75, page 46)

    (2) Who was the faithful and discreet slave in the 1100's and 1200's?

    Religous groups such as the Waldenses.

    (Watchtower, 8/1/81, pages 12-15)

    "It is quite evident that the early Waldenses were faithful Witnesses of
    Jehovah."

    (Theocratic Aid to Kingdom Publishers, page 307)

    (3) Who was the faithful and discreet slave in the 1300's, 1400's and
    1500's?

    Religious groups such as the Lollards and the Anabaptists.

    (Watchtower, 9/1/80, pages 24-28, and additional articles)

    (4) Were these disconnected, isolated groups, who merely had in common that
    they were disagreed with the present religious system and so were persecuted,
    or were they "the faithful and discreet slave class" in their time?

    "Jesus had said: "Look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of
    the system of things." (Matt. 28:20) Jesus Christ is the head of the
    congregation, his slave, and his words show that he would strengthen them to
    feed his "domestics" right down through the centuries. Apparently one
    generation of the "slave" class fed the succeeding generation thereof, as
    well as continuing to feed themselves."

    (Watchtower, 1/15/75, page 46)

    "The Finished Mystery" elaborates on this, and states that the "angels of
    the seven congregations" of Revelation chapters 1 and 3 were: The Apostle
    Paul, Apostle John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther, and Russell.

    In 1917, shortly after Russell's death, the Watchtower Bible and Tract
    Society published "The Finished Mystery", the seventh volume in Studies in
    the Scriptures, and declared that Russell had been the "angel of the
    congregation of Laodicea".

    "Charles Russell as the Laodicean messenger of the Church, faithfully filled
    the office of ‘that Faithful and Wise Servant’ while here on earth."

    (Watchtower, 12/1/1923, p. 360)

    Some of the "Witnesses" at that time refused to accept this seventh volume
    as being from the "faithful and discreet slave" and they were thrown out.
    Rutherford called them "the evil servant class" for refusing to accept the
    seventh volume.

    Those faithful to the organization continued to believe in Russell as the
    "slave".

    "Oh the blessedness of those who have sat at the Master's table, as he has
    served through his faithful and wise steward, who was made ruler over the
    household to give them meat in due season! Volume after volume, with abundant
    side dishes, has he given us. Of a truth he was made ruler over "all the
    goods," all the "meat in due season." "

    (Watchtower, 4/1/19, page103)

    "We believe that all who are now rejoicing in present truth will concede
    that Brother Russell filled the office of special servant of the Lord; and
    that he was made ruler over all the Lord's goods.... Often when asked by
    others, Who is that faithful and wise servant?, Brother Russell would reply:
    'Some say I am; while others say the Society is.' Both statements were true;
    for Brother Russell was in fact the Society in a most absolute sense, in
    this, that he directed the policy and course of the Society without regard to
    any person on earth. He sometimes sought advice of others connected with the
    Society, listened to their suggestions, and then did according to his own
    judgment, believing that the Lord would have him thus do."

    (Watchtower, 3/1/23, page 68)

    "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ
    began in 1874 A.D."

    (Prophecy, p. 65, 1929)

    "This chronology is not of man but of God … of divine origin … absolutely
    and unqualifiedly correct."

    (Watchtower, 7/15/1922, p. 217)

    "In the latter half of 1917 the faithful forefront preachers of the
    "discreet slave" class energetically took up distribution of "The Finished
    Mystery", for within seven months the Society's outside printers were busy on
    the 850,000 edition. "The sale of the Seventh Volume is unparalleled by the
    sale of any other book we know, in the same length of time, excepting the
    Bible." (Watchtower 1917, p. 373).

    (Watchtower, 4/1/55, page 206)

    "In 1879 Charles Taze Russell began the publication of The Watch Tower, of
    which he was the sole editor as long as he remained on earth."

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 4, 1917)

    Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty, of Revelation 1:8.

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 15, 1917)

    "Fall 1874 A.D. Second Advent of the Lord"

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 60, 1917)

    "Reexamine … Vol. 2, pages 246 and 247; change the 37 to 40, 70 to 73 and
    1914 to 1918, and we believe it is correct and will be fulfilled ‘with great
    power and glory.’ "

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 62, 1917)

    Scriptures prove that the Lord’s Second Advent was in 1874.

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 68, 1917)

    Eighty-eight proofs that the Lord’s second Advent occurred in the fall of
    1874.

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 68–71, 1917)

    Michael in Revelation 12:7 is the pope of Rome.

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 188, 1917)

    "… six thousand years of evil which ended in 1874."

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 301, 1917)

    Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega of Revelation 21:6.

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 318, 1917)

    "The Millennium began in 1874, with the Return of Christ."

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 386, 1917)

    Destruction of Christendom in 1914–1918

    (Studies, Vol. 7, p. 398, 1917)

  • thinker
    thinker

    Welcome Trevor,
    I must agree with you whole heartedly. This too is difficult for me to understand. Lately we have been bombarded with offers to come to other churches. I am not interested in organized religion. I think it is wonderful to be free and to have the time to examine our own inner thoughts and needs.
    Everyones needs are different, hence, something different appeals to everyone. But it is hard to imagine becoming involved with another dogma and set of rules and standards.
    I for one do not need that.
    Venice,
    Very interesting quotes. Where did you find them? In the above mentioned site?
    Thinkers Wife

  • thinker
    thinker

    Zazz,
    Anytime you feel the need to commune in the mountains you just come on and visit Thinker and I we would love to have you. If you wish we'll even let you bring Larc. That would give me some personal one on one with him to get him straightened out.

    Edited by - thinker on 6 January 2001 16:45:25

  • Venice
    Venice

    Thinkers wife,

    No these quotes came from a friend of mine, it was all research that he had done. Very helpful in our trial!

    Venice

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Trevor, welcome, and thank you for your thoughts. I've looked into several different churches, but they all seem to have the "exclusive club" mentality. I simply cannot deal with that type of thinking any longer.

    Some of my most spiritual experiences have been felt while watching hundreds of fireflies performing their summer dance over our back pasture on a warm June evening.

  • JT
    JT

    Trevor

    your thoughts are the same as my wife and i-

    as my wife just sat here and said

    after attending all those meetings 3 /4 times a week why in world would someone want to willingly go back to sitting in more meetings

    smile

    enjoyed your post

    JT

  • RR
    RR

    JT, are you saying then that the early Christians did not get together periodically for study of God's Word, I think the scriptures tell us differently. Granted their studies were not as rigid and structured as seen within the Watchtower, nor was it as We-Teach-You-Learn as seen in many Churches today, however they did get together, they did study the Bible or rather the Old Testament along with the "letters" sent to them by the apostles and disciples.

    And there are many Churches that do teach the Bible in a study circle environment.

    "People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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