Ann Rice and a new direction

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  • designs
    designs

    Ann Rice's decision to leave the Catholic Faith over what she saw as lapses in ethics and morality brings an interesting focus on how people conceive of a religion's Leader and the message that Leader tried to expound.

    The Humanitarian and Social Gospel are not new but Ann saw its importance in her own spiritual journey.

    During the 20 year period when I was actively writing to the Society to embrace Charity work and setup Food Banks and other social and envirnonmental networks I saw the mental roadblocks that were set up in favor of the D2D Only work. In fact most of the Witnessess I talked to were surprisingly opposed to charity work unless for their own and even more surprisingly out and out opposition to environmental work.

    So here is Ann staying with a concept of Jesus she feels is workable but leaving organized religion.

    So what message do you take away from a figure like Jesus or some other spiritual/philosophical leader, what is workable for you now.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    "and even more surprisingly out and out opposition to environmental work..."

    That attitude amazes me... Growing up in the '60's - '70's, I was HIGHLY aware of the emerging environmental issues, and deeply disappointed by the WatchTower Society's "sit on our hands and do nothing" attitude...

    As for "So what message do you take away from a figure like Jesus or some other spiritual/philosophical leader, what is workable for you now..."

    I was a bit of a moon-worshipping Neo-PolyTheist during the ENTIRE time my parents were trying to hit/kick/slap me into the JW cult... I wasn't impressed by the bible; saw too many misogynistic attitudes within it that REALLY bothered me - as a young female - and I was SO glad to have found out what I've learned about the bible's plagiarized, pagan origins...

    Which negates ANY message from "Jesus"... Many of 'his' words - the underlying meanings - can be found - with slight variations - in older, PolyTheist religions...

    Zid

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    Friday, August 06, 2010 12:00a.m.

    ‘Today, I quit being a Christian.” With those words last week on Facebook, Anne Rice delivered a wake-up call for organized religion. The question is whether it will be recognized as such.

    “I remain committed to Christ as always,” she wrote, “but not to being ‘Christian’ or to being part of Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For 10 years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

    The author, famed for her vampire novels, made a much-publicized return to the Catholicism of her youth after years of calling herself an atheist. Now, years later, she says she hasn’t lost her faith, but she’s had it up to here with organized religion.

    “In the name of Christ,” she wrote, “I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.”

    Rice is hardly the only one who feels as she does.

    According to a 2008 study by Trinity College, religiosity is trending down sharply in this country. The American Religious Identification Survey, the percentage who call themselves Christian has fallen by 10 since 1990 (from 86.2 percent to 76 percent) while the percentage of those who claim no religious affiliation has almost doubled (from 8.2 to 15) in the same span.

    Small wonder atheist manifestos are doing brisk business at bookstores. Organized religion, Christianity in particular, is on the decline, and it has no one to blame but itself: It traded moral authority for political power.

    To put that another way: The Christian Bible contains numerous exhortations to serve those who are wretched and poor, to anger slowly and forgive promptly, to walk through this life in humility and faith. The word “Republican” does not appear in the book. Not once.

    Yet somehow in the last 30 years, people of faith were hustled and hoodwinked into regarding the GOP platform as a lost gospel. Somehow, low taxes for the wealthy and deregulation of industry became the very message of Christ. Somehow, hostility to science, gays, Muslims and immigrants became the very meaning of faith. And somehow Christianity became — or at least, came to seem — a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party.

    Consider that, after the election of 2004, a church in North Carolina made news for kicking out nine congregants because they committed the un-Christian act of ... voting for Democrat John Kerry.

    Who can blame people for saying, “If that’s faith, count me out.” Has atheism ever had a better salesman than Jerry Falwell, blaming the Sept. 11 attacks on the ACLU or Pat Robertson laying Haiti’s earthquake off on an ancient curse?

    But what of those who are not atheists? What of those who feel the blessed assurance that there is more to this existence than what we can see or empirically prove? What of those who seek a magnificent faith that commits and compels, and find churches offering only a shriveled faith that marginalizes and demeans?

    Its response to those people, those “seekers,” will determine the future of organized religion. And it might behoove keepers of the faith to keep in mind the distinction Anne Rice drew in her farewell:

    Christ didn’t fail her, she said. Christianity did.

    • • •

    Leonard Pitts is a columnist for the Miami Herald.

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    marked for later comment

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Balsam, you beat me to it. I was just about to post a link to Leonard Pitts' column. That was indeed a good column and here is my take on all of this.

    My wife and I had another 'discussion' regarding religion. Convinced that I did not agree with her religion's dogmatic belief that they are the 'truth' she challenged me to find another group. There is none, I said. Truth be told, I found organized religion disagreeable for a long time. I am especially appalled at the way the Independent Fundamental Baptists regards so much out there as Satanic. I've dubbed them the Jerry Falwell disciples. I go to church but it is not my 'religion.' I believe in Christ and I believe I can follow Him with or without a formal worship service. In addition to the Sunday church service, I also do a daily devotional with a small group of Christians of various denominations at work.

    One man I've had considerable admiration and respect for was Mohandas K Ghandi and in a partial quote of what he said in regards to Christ and Christians, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I think that sums it up quite nicely for me.

    Consider that, after the election of 2004, a church in North Carolina made news for kicking out nine congregants because they committed the un-Christian act of ... voting for Democrat John Kerry.

    One thing the witnesses have right is not preaching politics at the meetings. However, I do not agree with their stance on not voting. I think church leaders would do well not to preach politics. A lot of this was done at the Independent Fundamental Baptist churches and they had a decidedly pro-Republican leaning. I remember one person telling me that voting for Bill Clinton was not a good idea because he supported abortion. When I voted for Kerry in 2004, some girl living in the midwest told me that I was an immoral guy. Loopy...

    Who can blame people for saying, “If that’s faith, count me out.” Has atheism ever had a better salesman than Jerry Falwell, blaming the Sept. 11 attacks on the ACLU or Pat Robertson laying Haiti’s earthquake off on an ancient curse?

    Yep, that's where I was after leaving the old Indy Fundy churches. "If that's faith, count me out." Were it not for the loving and tolerant Christians I met in college sometime later, I am not sure I would still be Christian today. I love Christianity but I am not too fond of the unloving attitudes of most churches. I will admit that the witnesses seemed better in some cases but their uncompromising stance on blood and their unwillingness to view people of other Christian faiths as valid did it in for me.

    Its response to those people, those “seekers,” will determine the future of organized religion.

    Unfortunately, as long as we have people that insist on applying the whole Bible literally in all cases, it will be hard to imagine Christianity really changing. I guess I feel that love, forgiveness, and mercy should be the first rule of the day but unfortunately it is often the last.

  • agonus
    agonus

    Zid,

    What if Jesus was carrying the torch from some of those older traditions but simply repackaged them in a more accessible, perhaps more successful and charismatic way? That doesn't negate everything you believe or vice versa - rather they compliment each other, no? I could be mistaken, but I think Rice is getting at something along those lines...

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Well, Agonus...

    First of all, "Jesus" would have had to have actually existed, for that to happen... I'm referring to evidence that dates to the time when 'he' was supposed to have actually lived, not archaeological evidence that shows that people believed in 'him' some sixty to one hundred years later, therefore 'he' "must" have "existed"... A record of 'his' crucifixtion would be most convincing, since the Romans were such ardent record-keepers... But such records DON'T EXIST. An odd oversight for a man who was supposedly so significant in 'his' time period.

    Any group that plagiarizes from older organizations or religions, but then turns around and CONDEMNS those same ancient sources, is being the worst sort of hypocrite, wouldn't you agree???

    "Jesus" certainly didn't approve of the PolyTheist religions that 'his' mythology came from, did 'he'?? Did 'he' approve of the Sumerians?? The Babylonians?? The PolyTheist Greeks, who produced the Elysian Mysteries which the 'Jesus' mythology incorporated into its mysticism?? Or the conquerors/heirs of the Grecian civilization, the PolyTheist Romans???

    I detest hypocrisy in most forms, and religious hypocrisy most of all. It also infuriates me that the Jewish mythology took parts of the older Goddess-worshipping mythologies, but stripped away almost all of the rights and dignity accorded to women in those older civilizations.

    Zid

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Last night I saw her interview on CNN,

    What I remember foremost is that she said In giving up religion for the first time she felt SANE.

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  • wiser
    wiser

    I saw her on a news show. She does not like the bibles stance on homesexuality and some other issues. God is not going to change the bible to please mankind. It is our foundation.

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