RE: can elders encourage DF'd persons...

by elderelite 15 Replies latest jw experiences

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    ***

    w914/15pp.23-24pars.13-17ImitateGod’sMercyToday

    ***

    13

    In recent times there have been cases in which an elder happened to meet a disfellowshipped person. Where appropriate, the shepherd briefly outlined the steps to be taken for reinstatement. Some persons like this repented and were reinstated. Such joyful outcomes indicate that there may be disfellowshipped or disassociated ones who would respond to a merciful approach made by the shepherds. But how might the elders handle this matter? Once a year at most, the body of elders should consider whether there are such persons living in their territory. The elders would focus on those who have been expelled for over a year. According to the circumstances, if it is appropriate, they would assign two elders (hopefully ones familiar with the situation) to visit such an individual. No visit would be made on any who evidence a critical, dangerous attitude orwhohavemadeitknownthattheywantnohelp.—Romans 16:17, 18; 1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:16-18.

    14

    The two shepherds could telephone to ask about making a brief visit, or they could stop by at a suitable time. During the visit, they need not be stern or even cool but should warmly reflect their merciful concern. Instead of reviewing the past case, they could discuss Bible texts such as Isaiah 1:18 and 55:6, 7 and James 5:20. If the person is interested in returning to God’s flock, they could kindly explain what steps he should take, such as reading the Bible and publications of the Watch Tower Society and attending meetings at the Kingdom Hall.

    15

    These elders will need wisdom and discernment to determine whether there is indication of repentance and whether a follow-up visit would be advisable. They should bear in mind, of course, that some disfellowshipped persons will never be ‘revived to repentance.’ (Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22) After the visit, the two would give a brief oral report to the Congregation Service Committee. They, in turn, would inform the body of elders at their next meeting. The elders’ merciful initiative will have reflected God’s view: “‘Return to me, and I will return to you,’ Jehovah of armies has said.”—Malachi 3:7.

    That is still current info. The Short answer is NO elders should not encourage you beyond what this article talks about. they would not associate or seek you out beyond the provision, once a year, mentioned here. Any elders who have done that are going beyond what the Society directed. All I can say is thank God for them using their own head and heart, but why would you want to go back? Do you have family that you are trying to reconnect with? If so I certainly understand , and frankly whatever your motivation your reasons are your own but don't let pressure get to you. If you have a clear reason, and are comfortable with what it will mean, go for it. Otherwise you are free. Be free. PM me if you would like to talk more...( for whatever its worth I am currently an elder)

    That is still current info. The Short answer is NO elders should not encourage you beyond what this article talks about. they would not associate or seek you out beyond the provision, once a year, mentioned here. Any elders who have done that are going beyond what the Society directed. All I can say is thank God for them using their own head and heart, but why would you want to go back? Do you have family that you are trying to reconnect with? If so I certainly understand , and frankly whatever your motivation your reasons are your own but don't let pressure get to you. If you have a clear reason, and are comfortable with what it will mean, go for it. Otherwise you are free. Be free. PM me if you would like to talk more...( for whatever its worth I am currently an elder)

  • yknot
    yknot

    .....JUST CLEANING UP FORMATING of ORIGINAL POST......

    *** w91 4/15 p. 23 pars. 13-15 Imitate God’s Mercy Today ***

    13 In recent times there have been cases in which an elder happened to meet a disfellowshipped person. Where appropriate, the shepherd briefly outlined the steps to be taken for reinstatement. Some persons like this repented and were reinstated. Such joyful outcomes indicate that there may be disfellowshipped or disassociated ones who would respond to a merciful approach made by the shepherds. But how might the elders handle this matter? Once a year at most, the body of elders should consider whether there are such persons living in their territory. The elders would focus on those who have been expelled for over a year. According to the circumstances, if it is appropriate, they would assign two elders (hopefully ones familiar with the situation) to visit such an individual. No visit would be made on any who evidence a critical, dangerous attitude or who have made it known that they want no help.—Romans 16:17, 18; 1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:16-18.

    14 The two shepherds could telephone to ask about making a brief visit, or they could stop by at a suitable time. During the visit, they need not be stern or even cool but should warmly reflect their merciful concern. Instead of reviewing the past case, they could discuss Bible texts such as Isaiah 1:18 and 55:6, 7 and James 5:20. If the person is interested in returning to God’s flock, they could kindly explain what steps he should take, such as reading the Bible and publications of the Watch Tower Society and attending meetings at the Kingdom Hall.

    15 These elders will need wisdom and discernment to determine whether there is indication of repentance and whether a follow-up visit would be advisable. They should bear in mind, of course, that some disfellowshipped persons will never be ‘revived to repentance.’ (Hebrews 6:4-6; 2 Peter 2:20-22) After the visit, the two would give a brief oral report to the Congregation Service Committee. They, in turn, would inform the body of elders at their next meeting. The elders’ merciful initiative will have reflected God’s view: “‘Return to me, and I will return to you,’ Jehovah of armies has said.”—Malachi 3:7.

    Elderelite further comments:

    That is still current info. The Short answer is NO elders should not encourage you beyond what this article talks about. they would not associate or seek you out beyond the provision, once a year, mentioned here. Any elders who have done that are going beyond what the Society directed. All I can say is thank God for them using their own head and heart, but why would you want to go back? Do you have family that you are trying to reconnect with? If so I certainly understand , and frankly whatever your motivation your reasons are your own but don't let pressure get to you. If you have a clear reason, and are comfortable with what it will mean, go for it. Otherwise you are free. Be free. PM me if you would like to talk more...( for whatever its worth I am currently an elder)
  • troubled mind
    troubled mind

    No visit would be made on any who evidence a critical, dangerous attitude or who have made it known that they want no help.—Romans 16:17, 18; 1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:16-18.

    Oh oh ...I think I fall under this category since I sent them a letter telling them to cease and desist contacting me, and badgering me with questions .

    ........and I am not even DF'd.....well as far as I know since they can't call to tell me

  • yknot
    yknot

    I guess that means some ""professed""** elders on this board have been acting like 'demigods' in their cavalier attitudes of association and admonishment (okay ....more like just being plain mean, dismissve and rude)

    ** I don't think these men have been Elders in a long while and were probably deleted for their going off the reservation in assuming their interpretations of the Bible were better than the WTS....(read the CO, BOE and others thought they were LOONEY TOONS)

    .......no further comment, I only carried a Y chromosome for 9 months.......

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Did I miss another thread on this subject?

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Cantleave.. Yes. Someone posted that question and I could not reply on their thread (locked maybe?) so I started this one as an answer. The post seemed sincere so I took it as such and answered.

    Yknot... LOL. Thank you. For somereason my internet connection was acting squirly and I simply could not formatt the quote right... it got worse and worse the more I tried so I quit. Thank you. and the y for nine months... priceless

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    I have been inactive for years, I was complaining about a certain situation, the elders wanted to dodge that issue that has never been resolved to my satisfication, is that why the Elders will not visit me?

  • babygirl30
    babygirl30

    Ya know..due to the nature of my DF situation (I was assaulted, bruised, and had been abused by my JW fiance) ALL of the elders in my cong - except for the 2 that noticably wanted me DF'd and made sure of it since they were in my JC - spoke to me OUTSIDE of the Khall. They would stop by regularly to see how I was doing, encourage me, even WHEN I was going to put in my letter?! THey told me that if I needed anything (protection or just to talk) that I could call them and they would help me out...

    Well, it wasn't until the CO came through, and HE informed these elders that they are NOT to have any association with me outside of the yearly visit - it all stopped! That was when the CO came by my home (dropped by) to inform me that he let ALL the elders know that I am not part of the cong anymore and so they are to have nothing to say to me unless it's an emergency and/or I submit my reinstatement letter. So NOW I see where he got that from - the article referenced above. How SICK!!!! It honestly left a bad taste in my mouth. Common sense - how does ignoring someone encourage them? How does making their 'returning to the flock' the ONLY reason you speak to them - a motivation to be a JW again? What gives them 'ordinary men' the RIGHT to decide whether someone is repentant and deserving of another visit??? LOL...just freakin ridiculous.

  • elderelite
    elderelite

    Babygirl, I am sorry. It is truly a screwed up org we are/were a part of. You deserved better.

  • babygirl30
    babygirl30

    Thanks Elderelite...and thank you for posting that specific article. I always wondered WHERE in the Hell that CO got the information, and now i know. It really bothered me how 'cold' he was about it too - as if I was BELOW him and like he was being inconvenienced to come by and speak to me (uninvited nonetheless). It's amazing how backwards that article is, of course now that I'm out of the org, and it blows my mind how nobody IN sees it...

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit