Is Jehovah a Primate? (page 2)

cyberjesus

could it be the bible by any chance? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm m I smell a circle

VampireDCLXV

LOL! Fair enough argument, CJ. I have my doubts that holy books are all what they claim to be.

V665

I can't speak for all bible readers, but for Catholics it isn't a circle. Catholics believe in Tradition, Scripture is just part of the Tradition. We trust the people who hand the tradition down to us and, we feel, the linage goes back to Jesus handing Peter the keys of heaven, Catholics consider Peter the first Pope. This is also recorded in the Bible (Matthew 16:18-19), however that isn't the only reason we believe that Peter was the first Pope: we had a second Pope: Linus, and then another and so on to present day: we trust the linage. So Jesus (God, Himself) gave authority to the Church and the Church gives authority to the Bible. Some doctrines were decided even before or at the same time the Bible was decided (First Council of Nicaea, Council of Carthage, etc). There is a level of trust, a leap of faith in the Church, and, yes, there are many churches not to be trusted... however, in my research I find that different Christian sects have their roots in Catholicism. Also: it is like believing something a trusted friend tells you versus believing something that a stranger or a known liar tells you. Even our trusted friends fail us at times (as sometimes the church and scripture fail us being that they are made up of or written by human beings), however, over all: we all take a leap of faith when we read something or hear something and take it as a fact or truth. We trust the experts in certain fields, we believe friends we consider honest even if our friends have imperfections. While the Catholic Church is known and famous for many atrocities, Catholic hold firm that the core teachings and doctrine have never changed through out time (some things can and may change in the Catholic Church: such as priests being able to get married while other things never have changed: the belief in the Trinity). Because of the consistencies of the Catholic Church they/we hold that the Church as a whole is a pillar of truth (it is individual people who mess things up sometimes). Science has often changed what we consider to be true: it was logical, even scientific to think that the Sun revolved around us and that the earth was flat: now we know better: however if we lived in the time period of long ago we would have trusted the "facts" as presented to us. In the future we may know even more: we may learn that what we think now is inaccurate as well and known facts may be disproved or elaborated on by future scientists.

Is the Bible the "pillar of truth" in the Christian religion? No. According to the Bible Itself, the Church is the "pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15), not the Bible.

Here are some links that may say it better then I did:

http://www.catscans.com/catholicsite/bible.htm

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0009fea5.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101bt.asp

http://www.catholic.com/library/Scripture_and_Tradition.asp