Hi moshe just another point that I missed concerning that there is no uncertainty for Christians, I was particularly talking about the Bible's doctrine of Gods creative power, his redemptive power by means of Christs sacrifice and the forgiveness of sins through his shed blood. These doctrines are indisputable among Christians, they may differ about some details but on the whole it is essentialy the same. During the reformation Christians knew about Justification and grace not works alone would save us and many were put to death for it but were still very much bogged down by sectarianism and religion itself, and many Churches are still like that today. This will not effect their salvation but it can block the Holy Spirit from moving on from traditionalism, but at some time God will move them on.
On the other hand when you get on the subject of once saved always saved predestination and certain prophecies many other epistemological studies, that is not what is essential for salvation these details will be revealed in time. We can allow ourselves to speculate but not get bogged down thinking this is what will save our life.
In the NWT translation it says in John 17 v 3 'There taking in knowledge of you' The NIV says not 'knowledge' that will save us but 'knowing him' , having extensive Bible so called knowledge is not what will save us but truly 'knowing him that was sent' will. Putting faith in his sacrifice.
A quick point about predestination we must remember that as humans we live in linear time, and in four dimentions the fourth one being time. Scientists and governments have spent billions of dollars on searching for black holes, dark matter, and cosmic strings. Their conclusion is that they know for certain there exists at least ten dimensions, something that one particular Rabbi in the middle ages a hebrew scholar his name [his name alludes me at the moment] could have saved the scientists billions of dollars by reading his documentations he calculated in his writings that there were at least ten dementions. Obviously like any theory proof is always needed. The point is though scientists have no problem believing in a multi-dimentianal universe and that time itself is fluid and is not constant.
So anything is possible with God. Linear time has no meaning for him only for us, for he does not live in our time frame. WOW
Well moshe RosePetal has gone to bed and I am drinking my ovaltine, [ I am living in England] my brain hurts and I've got a big day at work tomorrow.
Good night RosePetals other half
