We are not false prophets
by Cook My Socks UK 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Essan
"Official statements have been made about prior expectations of the early Bible students that allowed for personal reflection."
Garbage.
1. They haven't made statements about all their false and failed predictions, nor all their abandoned teachings, only a few and only because they had to. When their failure is known they have to do some damage limitation and trot out a few lies and excuses. They habitually lie about their past. All the Society has done is hide or twist the facts and outright lie regarding certain events in their history. This shows they aren't interested in honest 'personal reflection', just re-writing the past.
2. These weren't the 'prior expectations' of the early Bible students', there were the teachings and false predictions of the Society, which because they presented them as fact, and as from God, Bible Students were required to accept them. If the Bible Students 'expected' anything it was only because Russell and his cohorts told them to.
This is the Society's typical tactic of blaming their victims: they teach the Bible Students something as fact, pretending to be the F&DS, then it fails, and then later they speak is if t as if it was "The Bible students expectation", totally ignoring the fact that they made them expect it, and insisted on expectation!
Their spin is like a dinner party host deceptively speaking of the "sickness of the guests spoiling the evening" when it was his contaminated food that poisoned them all!
What spineless frauds and hypocrites the WTBTS are.
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GLTirebiter
how would you refute, if this reasoning was used by a JW at your door? ... The Scriptures provide time elements related to Christ’s presence, and Jehovah’s Witnesses have studied these with keen interest. (Luke 21:24; Dan. 4:10-17)
"Let's read the entire fourth chapter from Daniel in context. Just after the last verse in your citation, Daniel explains what it is all about: Nebuchadnezzar himself!" From the NJB:
[17] The tree you saw, so large and strong and tall that it reached the sky and could be seen throughout the world, [18] the tree with beautiful foliage and abundant fruit, with food for all in it, providing shade for the wild animals, with the birds of heaven nesting in its branches: 19] that tree is yourself, Your Majesty, for you have grown great and strong; your stature is now so great that it reaches the sky, and your empire extends to the ends of the earth. [20] And the Watchful One seen by the king, the holy one coming down from heaven and saying, "Cut the tree down and destroy it, but leave stump and roots in the ground, bound with hoops of iron and bronze in the grass of the countryside; let it be drenched by the dew and have its lot with the wild animals until seven times have passed over": [21] the meaning of this, Your Majesty, the verdict of the Most High passed on my lord the king, is this: [22] You will be driven from human society and will make your home with the wild animals, you will feed on grass, as oxen do, you will be drenched by the dew of heaven; seven times will pass over you until you have learnt that the Most High rules over human sovereignty and confers it on whom he pleases [23] 'And the order, "Leave the stump and roots of the tree", means that your kingdom will be kept for you until you come to understand that Heaven rules all. [24] May it please the king to accept my advice: by upright actions break with your sins, break with your crimes by showing mercy to the poor, and so live long and peacefully.' [25] This all happened to King Nebuchadnezzar.
So, this isn't an end time prophecy. Nebuchadnezzar's dream was an immediate warning to the king himself. Surely, we must not go beyond the scriptures, saying more than what God put there--that would be false prophesy!"
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VM44
"Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets."
But The Watchtower does claim to be a "Spirit Directed" organization.
So...they are not "inspired prophets", but they are "spirit directed"!
Does anyone see a contradiction here?
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NiceDream
They fit the description of false teachers Jesus warned about in Mathew 23.
They have self-appointed seats of authority, filled them with their own ideas, and their own regulations in addition to the law of God. They burden the R & F with all their rules just like the Pharisees did. They outwardly appear moral, but are really hypocrites. They've been living a lie for so long they are desensitzed to their hypocrisy.