Most ignored scriptures by CHURCHianity... (page 12)

Mad_-Babies are begotten- or haven't you heard?

PS- Yes, that is the HUMAN way, God is not so limited, God beget the Word, Jesus, in spirit, just like God is spirit.

Mad: Yes, it's human;THAT'S why He used the HUMAN term!

Mad- God begat/created His son (Michael, "Who is Like God"), later named "Jesus"

PS- In the JW's mindset, that is what happened, the bible makes no mention of that, at all.

Mad- Of COURSE it does- CURCHianity just perverts it, as usual, by spin-

Col 1:13-Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14-In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1-5Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Here we are told he is NOT God- but the IMAGE of Him, that he HAS been born, and that he is a creature (created living thing) as we ALL are.

Rev 3:14-And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen [Christ], the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

His son later begat/created every other angel, men, and animals.

PS-Begetting is NOT creating, Abraham begot Isacc, he did NOT creat Isacc.

Mad: Of course not- but God BEGAT Jesus! (Only-begotten son)
Jesus SUBJECTS himself to the One he SAID was the ONLY true God- when will YOU?

PS-Always have, always will, though His ONLY begotten Son, Jesus.

Mad: You mean through one Almighty God to 2 Other Almighties, don't you? There is a UNIVERSE of difference between THINKING one's a Christian...and actually BEING one; to deny what Christ SAID - that ONLY his Father is God- is to be an antichrist....

theMadJW

PSacramento

Mad- Of COURSE it does- CURCHianity just perverts it, as usual, by spin-

Col 1:13-Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14-In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1-5Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.
Here we are told he is NOT God- but the IMAGE of Him, that he HAS been born, and that he is a creature (created living thing) as we ALL are.

Rev 3:14-And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen [Christ], the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.

His son later begat/created every other angel, men, and animals.

So where does this say that Jesus is Michael ?? since that is what you stated here:

Mad- God begat/created His son (Michael, "Who is Like God"), later named "Jesus"

WHat you are doing is voicing and opion and making it doctrine, which is what you accuse trinitarians of doing by the way.

theMadJW

"So where does this say that Jesus is Michael ?? since that is what you stated here"

Mad: What name do YOU think His son had before being given the name "Jesus"?

Hint; Since there are God, angels, man and animals- and Jesus ISN'T the Almighty, which one do YOU think he is?

And, NO, I am NOT "making it a doctrine"; I'm merely showing you what the scriptures REALLY say.

PSacramento

Well, the bible says that jesus is God's son, not an angel, that he would be called many things, but none of them Michael, the Hebrews started to name their angels during their babylonian captivity and Daniel said that Michael is ONE of the chief princes, not THE chief prince or that there was only one, he actually says there is more and that is echoed in other books too, booke quotes from in the NT.

There is more than ample oportunity for ANY of the NT writers to say that Jesus is Michael, yet NONE do and the writer of Hebrews actaully goes out of his way topoint out that Jesus is FAR above ANY angel and no, an arch-angel is NOT for above ANY angel since he is still an angel.

The GOJ goes into great detail about Jesus, including what he was before he was man and never ONCE does the write state that Jesus was an angel or anything other than the Word of God.

WHat was Jesus? The Word of God, the (only) Son of God, the instrument that God used to creat all things, the ONLY BEGOTTEN of God.

What was His name? is that the question you ask me?

Not that Jesus NEEDED one, just like God doesn't need one, but according to the bible, It was Emmanuel and it was Jesus and NO OTHER propers names are attributed to him in the bible.

Unless of course you can show me a proper name besides those two that is attributed to the SOn of God?

theMadJW

You are a Master of Assumption; Jesus is often fortold; we even "see" him in vision at Daniel 7- yet NEVER is a name referred to, UNTIL God GIVES him the name "Jesus" when his son was to be born as man.

And YES, there is NO QUESTION that he is a Messenger (Angel) of God- the FOREMOST of them ALL- even elders in the congregations were referred to as "angels" by Christ in Revelation. And, NO "Immanuel" was no more his name than "I Am" was; symbolic only. NO ONE prays or preaches about "Immanuel".

So, there you have the FACTS; will you accept them or the Church Coprolite?

Itemized:

1- God begat/created His son, who like Him had a name- "Jesus" given later, as Abram was later given the name "Abraham"

2- Since he is NOT the Supreme Being ("God"), but is the IMAGE of God, and his Word,Spokesman, High Priest and Mediator, he is the FOREMOST of all God's Messengers (angels)

3- And we haven't even discussed the Infamous Ghost-God of Catholic Origin!

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