CIVIC was the first to start talkin trash!
How churchy of her! (him)
The Truth stands on its own- WTBS or NO WTBS!
by theMadJW 62 Replies latest watchtower bible
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thetrueone
but the Truth about God and Christ they have made known, by showing it to all in the scriptures. Because of this work, most KNOW that God(s) is not the Ultimate Sadist BBQing billions in a mythical 'Hellfire' anymore, etc!
What the Truth of the bible exposes is the acceptance and acknowledgment of human ignorance of humanity of the era when the words were written.
This human ignorance is what you MADJW have faithfully embraced both emotionally and intelectually........ unfortunately
and purposefully come here to slam people who have no desire to follow in your foot steps.
You've also totally forgotten that majority of members here were never in the acceptance the HELLFIRE ignorance which you mention.
We were all JWS once remember or have you forgotten that fact.
Yes the truth does stand on its own that your really not a very bright person.
Come Armageddon though I do perceive that you MADJW will amoungst the ones lying on the ground
with the birds picking at your flesh, as accurately told in the bible and this will happen soon in accordance with the WTS. teachings
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Vanderhoven7
Hi MadJW
The problem with the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is that it isn't biblical. By that I mean that every doctrine which is both unique and origional to Jehovah's witnesses is extra-biblical.
Any religion that makes itself more important than Jesus Christ and prohibits relationship with him should be rejected outright.
Your religion is entirely founded on interpretive abuse. Check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LowZJLAiJQ
Vander
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jay-jay-
Hi TheMadJW:
You said:
But this is NOT about them, but the Truth about God and Christ they have made known, by showing it to all in the scriptures.
I would question whether they (WTBTS) actually teach "truth." For example, take this bit of info.
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However, if the above information is not enough to convince an individual, let's consider another fact. In verses 11 and 12 of 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter from the New World Translation , we read:
"So that is why God lets [ NWT "lets ... it go"] an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 New World Translation
There can be no question, but that these particular verses have, over the years, proven to be quite problematic for the Watchtower Society, to say the least. Therefore, you will find upon examination, there is very little written about them as a form of explanation as to how this all happens, actually. So then, let's examine this situation for ourselves.
First, you may have noticed that we put in brackets the word "lets." That is because this word "lets" is a special rendering by the Watchtower Society. How do we know? Well, if you check the Watchtower Society's own New World Kingdom Interlinear Translation for yourselves, as Paul recommends all "christians" do (Acts 17:11), you will find the English transliteration of the actual Greek word here (Greek: Pem'po ) is to be translated literally as ... "is sending." Now mind you, this is according to the Watchtower Society's own publication, this case.
Further, more investigation reveals apparently all other modern translations of the Greek also renders this verse consistently the same, namely: God "sends" this "operation of delusion" or "error." We have not as of yet, found any modern translation of the Bible that renders the verse as if God `lets it go to them.' However, let's notice an even more shocking, direct statement by the Watchtower Society on this very verse. They say pointedly:
"GOD DOES NOT DIRECTLY SEND this `operation of error,' but lets it go to the deceived ones in order to prove that it is what they really want. (Compare Hebrews 4:12) In this way all honest-hearted persons can see that God is just in his judgment." (See 1975 Watchtower pg. 271 par. 4)
Did you notice their comment that "God does not directly send this operation of error" ... did you notice this???
No, but the Watchtower Society explains Almighty God ... "lets it go" to the wrongdoers. But how can they (Governing Body/Watchtower Society) teach this to seven (7) millions Jehovah's Witnesses, right within the publications, not to mention millions of interested persons who avidly read the literature around the world ... how can they do this???
Now at this point, ask yourself: Isn't that statement made above by the Watchtower Society, in itself, a direct contradiction to the actual inspired text? Yes, isn't this a direct contradiction of what the Scriptures actually say???
And to further demonstrate their gross disrespect for God's Word, ohhhhhhhh yes, they have adjusted `their' own particular translation of the bible, namely the New World Translation , to reflect this twisted thinking by saying ... God "lets ... it go," instead of what should properly be there, namely the expression God actually "sends" the "operation of error," or "strong delusions," just as many, many modern translations clearly say. (In fact to date, we cannot find a single modern translation to date, that renders this particular Greek word ( Pem'po ) this way. Shocking indeed!!!
Nevertheless to get the proper understanding of the matter and really see why ... why this was done by Watchtower teachers, let's insert the proper word and reread the verses in question. [Please reread.] Now, what did you find? Why, you found that Jehovah himself "sends" the operation of error as an immediate recompense because they "did not accept the love of the Truth." ( verse 10 ) No, Jehovah did not "let...it go" to them, as would be the case of the way the WTBTS teaches the Emperor Constantine's fusion of religion and state occurred in the 4th century — yes, across hundreds and hundreds of years, centuries of time. No, but Jehovah actually "SENDS" the "operation of error" or "strong delusions," just as the verse says, to ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT LOVE TRUTH," isn't that so?
(For an indepth discussion of Godly Truth as a holy possession for His People, please see the article: You Will Know The Truth ... And The Truth Will Set You Free" .)
Actually, changing the wording from literally "sends" [Greek: Pem'po ] to "lets go" really changes the focus from a specific time period to an indefinite one. Yes, if one uses the word or expression "sends" here, in this verse specifically, then we are forced to address the question when, yes when did Jehovah actually "send" the operation of error? Yes when, specifically???
And of course, if you ever have opportunity to ask the Watchtower Society or its leading Bethel Elders that particular question posed above, you will find when you pose the question, they (elders) are at a TOTAL LOSS as to what to say to you. No, you will quickly find, they really can't give you a definite answer of any kind, to such a poignant question. In fact, you may find they are curiously baffled, perhaps visibly shaken even, isn't that true???
Think about it!Taken from: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/199412/1/The-Man-of-Lawlessness-In-Our-Midst
(For an indepth discussion of the Greek word "Pem'po" taken from the New World Kingdom Interlinear Translation , please see the article entitled: Watchtower Society Contradicts The Bible -- When & Why??? )Jay-Jay-
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theMadJW
The rest of you need to attack me on one of my many topics- don'tcha think LB capable?
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Ding
WT 1/15/1983, p. 27: "Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God's organization? No, we cannot!"
WT 3/1/1983, p. 25: "[Opposers] may also question the need for an organization to direct the minds of God's people. Their view is that God's spirit can direct individuals without some central, organized body of men giving direction. They will declare that all one needs to do is read the Bible. But Christendom has been reading the Bible for centuries."
WT 9/15/1910, pp. 298-299: "Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see also that if anyone lays the Studies in the Scriptures aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, even after he has read them for ten years -- if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references, and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the Scriptures."
WT 10/1/1967, p, 587: "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they believe they can interpret the Bible. For this reason, the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind."
WT 8/15/1981, pp. 28-29: "[Independent faultfinders] say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such `Bible reading' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago."
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theMadJW
See how little your 'friends' respect you here, LB?
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littlebird
I first want you to know there are different opinions within Christianity as to what hell is. For instance, some believe that it is literal "fire & brimstone" others believe it is an agonizing separation from God.
You should also know that Jehovah's Witnesses are not the only religion that teaches annilialation, (when you're dead, your dead)among them are; Seven Day Adventists, and Advent Christian Churches. If the teaching of anniliation is the basis for you to believe that the jw's have the "truth", does this mean the adventists have the truth also?
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PrimateDave
There are nearly ten thousand pages of topics on this forum, and quite a few of those topics already put to rest whether there is any "truthiness" to be found within the pages of the Bible. Instead of reading yet another pointless debate, I would encourage any newbies to search for posts by Leolaia, Narkissos, and Alan Feuerbacher, to name a few who come to mind.
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undercover
The Truth stands on its own...
You're right, it absolutely does.
One truth is evident from this thread alone...
You're a fucking troll