Unforgivable Sin vs the Parable of the Prodigal Son (page 2)

serenitynow!

What better way to instill fear into your religious members than to create the concept of an "unforgivable sin" and then not give a clear definition

Very true.

cameo-d

what is the unforgiveable sin? What does speaking against the holy spirit mean?

Grieving the holy spirit means going against your conscience.

The holy spirit is not something separate from you. It is within you. The holy spirit is the spirit of truth.

You have never needed some religion to tell you what is right or wrong---it has always been an innate part of you; it's your conscience.

What is "unforgiveable" about it is that you will not be able to forgive yourself later when you go against your conscience.

When you shunned a loved one in past because you were compelled to do so through the cult dictates, wasn't there even a twinge of feeling that it was not right? Later, when you came to understand that you were mislead and controlled, did you ever stop to consider how your actions may have affected the lives of others, those who were shunned who had loved you? Did you stop to consider how life could have been different and better for everyone if the cult had not been in charge of your lives?

Sometimes we can try to make up for the wrong and hurt we have caused others. That's what the prodigal son attempted to do. But the years of loss cannot be gained back and the heartaches to ourselves and others is the "unforgiveable" grief we will always carry....even if we do make amends.

sabastious

Grieving the holy spirit means going against your conscience.

What?

-Sab

sabastious

cameo-d, I get what you are saying but your interpretation of the scripture is completely unfounded. It's not talking about your conscience, it's talking about Sin:

31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

First it goes to say that EVERY sin will be forgiven (which would include wrongs in the past, that you regret). Then it goes to say that blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. I'm not sure where you get "sinning against your conscience" out of this scripture.

-Sab

serenitynow!

When you shunned a loved one in past because you were compelled to do so through the cult dictates, wasn't there even a twinge of feeling that it was not right? Later, when you came to understand that you were mislead and controlled, did you ever stop to consider how your actions may have affected the lives of others, those who were shunned who had loved you? Did you stop to consider how life could have been different and better for everyone if the cult had not been in charge of your lives?

I don't think that can be considered the unforgivable sin. Personally, I've forgiven myself for any shunning, and even the incessant preaching (harassment) I did when I was blinded. At some point you need to forgive yourself, and do what you can to help others. If the bible is to be believed, then those sins are forgiven by the blood of jesus christ.

cameo-d

serenity: then those sins are forgiven by the blood of jesus christ.

That is a phrase contrived by man and is nonsense.

serenitynow!

That is a phrase contrived by man and is nonsense.

Isn't that a basic tenet of christianity? The meaning being that by reason of jesus sacrifice, sins are forgiven?

cameo-d

I suppose it is a basic doctrine....but what does it really mean?

Most christians use that as an excuse to "sin as they please" because they are forgiven in advance. This "saved by someone else being murdered" is a horrible teaching. First of all...what are you being saved from? Accountability of your wrongdoing? What does that make Jesus...a scapegoat sacrifice?

Human sacrifice, blood drinking.....those are some pretty evil concepts if you ask me.

serenitynow!

Good points, cameo-d. Of course I have come to the point in my life where I don't believe in any of it. The bible is full of evil concepts if you ask me. That's why I have a problem with the notion that it is supposed to be used as a guidebook for life.

tec

I don't really know what blaspheme against the Holy Spirit fully means. But I have to wonder, those who do curse out the holy spirit or God or Christ... are they cursing out the real person, or just what they think Christ or God or Spirit its. Like if someone says to me, I hate your killer sky daddy. Well, my God is not a killer sky daddy, so are they really cursing God or are they cursing who they think God is (if they even believe in Him?)

I honestly don't know the answer to this, so I'm not saying I think this is what it means or anything. Just something to think about.

Tammy

Unforgivable Sin vs the Parable of the Prodigal Son

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