"I think that without Internet access, I would still be a believer today."

by leavingwt 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Craig Bloomberg, Evangelical author, discusses De-Conversion. . .

    Studies of deconversions find three fairly consistent factors or kinds of experiences that trigger such rejection of Christianity. First, a crisis of some kind unexpectedly intrudes into a person’s life. Maybe it is the loss of a loved one, a major personal failure or even sin, a life-changing injury, a divorce or a devastating financial loss. Second, the community to which this individual has normally turned to for support in hard times turns on that individual instead. Perhaps it is a kind of church discipline that does not seem geared to lead to rehabilitation. Perhaps it involves pat theological slogans that don’t adequately address the complexity of the situation. Perhaps it includes interpersonal estrangement rather than empathy. Third, the hurting person is introduced to and/or for the first time takes seriously and investigates seriously an alternate world view. This may be a different religion or, as it commonly seems today to be, some form of agnosticism or atheism.
    http://www.denverseminary.edu/craig-blombergs-blog-new-testament-musings/deconversion-blogs-and-enemy-love/

    At 'Former Fundy', a discussion of Bloomberg's comments:

    According to the studies of de-conversion which he fails to cite, an apostate typically experiences:

    1. A personal crisis.
    2. A let-down by the church.
    3. A questioning of his or her world view.


    I don't know about others but in my case, #'s 1 and 2 were not involved. I increasingly came to the conclusion that the Evangelical Christian world-view was inconsistent and incoherent. It did not "mesh" with the real world in which I was living. There was no more reason to believe the Bible was really a divine revelation than there was to believe the Koran or any other "holy book." They all reflected the religious ideas that were prevalent in their time and in their culture.

    It is interesting how Blomberg phrases his #3. The person is introduced to and/or for the first time takes seriously and investigates seriously (emphasis mine) an alternate world view.

    I think he has hit the nail on the head here. Most Evangelical Christians will not take seriously the possiblity that their world-view (which includes an inspired and inerrant Bible, a bloody human sacrifice which satisfies God's wrath against sin, an eternal hell, and so on) might be wrong. Their minds are closed to that possibility. If you can ever get them to seriously question their world-view and seriously investigate other world-views, there is an excellent possiblity that they will de-convert.

    One of the comments at this post, that some of us will be able to relate to. . .

    "I think that without Internet access, I would still be a believer today. I might have wondered why the Bible gives permission to beat slaves, and I might have asked my preacher about it, but I don't think I would have searched the local libraries to find atheist authors and see what they had to say! As the son of 2 conservative Christian parents and the husband of a conservative Christian wife, I would have been hesitant to purchase or borrow any books that try to debunk the Bible, but entering "Yahweh genocide" in a search engine (with the intent of finding a Christian response) can easily land us upon a site like this."

    http://formerfundy.blogspot.com/2010/10/craig-blomberg-on-de-conversion.html

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Information is never a bad thing, although what is bad is when someone is looking for information in ONE regards and doesn't look for the counter-points to what he finds.

    EX: One is looking to disprove the bible and can find many information in that regards on the net, BUT they can also find information to refute THAT information, but they don't because they have found what they "were looking for".

    And that is just a "little bit better' than how things were while they were in the WT it seems.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    Information is never a bad thing

    Nor should anyone's faith be so fragile that information would ever harm it, IMHO. My faith didn't survive more information.

  • yknot
    yknot

    believing anything (fact/myth) is dependent on individual choice.....

    life is a journey that take us on many varied paths.....

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Indeed, no one faith should be so "fragile" that it can't surive testing, the bible tells us to TEST what we are taught.

    I am not sure if it was your FAITH that didn't survive or your faith in "Jehovah" and the WT that didn't.

  • Soldier77
    Soldier77

    I disagree that information is a bad thing. Information is a good thing. What's bad is the prejudices we have that use this information. Like your example above in disproving the bible, if you only look at one side of the story, then it's the process that's flawed, not the information itself.

    The WTS rhetoric on not looking at outside sources that put them in a bad light saying it's evil, demonic, etc on one hand, yet cherry picking outside sources to put them in a positive light. That is misinformation, lying, dishonesty and fraudulant. To say the least.

    The internet has a wealth of information, it's just sifting through it that can get tedious.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    According to the studies of de-conversion which he fails to cite, an apostate typically experiences:1. A personal crisis.
    2. A let-down by the church.
    3. A questioning of his or her world view.

    I am all about #3. But I consider some of the changed doctrine that I questioned to go into #2. My personal crisis was before I was a JW and I continued questioning my world view.

    I know my path would have been different without the internet, but I have analyzed that path and I would have been who I am no matter what. I would have left upon discovering Ray Franz' book (or all the others in the public library) without the internet and if I hadn't already faded, I would have walked out on the flip flop of "wicked generation" to "anointed generation" in 2008.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    and leavingwt also concurs, "If it wasn't for going to Bethel I'd still be a dweeb today." :-))

    I can't imagine how screwy my life would be if I was still a JW.

    Randy

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    Thank God for the internet!

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    and leavingwt also concurs, "If it wasn't for going to Bethel I'd still be a dweeb today." :-))

    Bethel really opened my eyes, that is for sure. I wish I had figured it out while I was still there, like you did, Randy. That would have been exciting.

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