A DOOM & GLOOMER AFTER MY OWN HEART

by You Know 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    OK. The festivities begin. "YOU KNOW" started this new economic thread by stating the following:

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    "The controversy regarding the future is my no means confined to apostate Dubs and Jehovah's Witnesses. Many other than "Bible Thumpers" can see big trouble looming just around the next bend. Of course they are ridiculed too by those with opposing views. That's just how it works. Some may enjoy reading the writings of Doug Macintosh. / You Know"
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    In a scientific experiment, business or marketing survey, opinion poll or any other serious fact-finding venture, an objective unbiased approach would include, MUST INCLUDE information from more than one solitary source. This is why I posted two additional articles from the same web-site. Now let's begin a brief analysis.
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    From the original article in the first post by "YOU KNOW":

    "Up here in Oregon the official unemployment rate is 7.5%. In Washington State it's 7.1%. Coming soon to a state near and dear to you. The United States is averaging the loss of 100,000 manufacturing jobs a month. Unemployment claims fluctuate between 350,000 and 500,000 a week-not a month, a week."

    Now, examine this information from the US Department of Labor:

    “After two months of averaging 400,000 lost jobs, December’s decline was smaller – 124,000 – although still far too many."

    This came from the following link:

    http://dol.gov/opa/media/press/opa/OPA2002014.htm

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    Again, from the first article I quote:

    "Eventually, say by May 31st, the system begins to have to deal with all those unemployed people who aren't paying their debt bills. Can they ignore them? Perhaps, for a while, but not for long. The debt crisis is now and will be in full flower this spring and summer."

    Notice the author's segway into May 31st, he states "Eventually, say by May 31st". Just like the older publications of the WTBS, he plants the seed of a date in the minds of readers, thus making a picture or image and establishing a concrete date for a future event. This date has not been discussed, publicized, agreed upon by experts or officials, yet it appears magically. No wonder it attracted our friend's attention. Check for yourself and see if all lending institutions around the country are preparing to call all balances due for all loans and credit on May 31. I don't have to comment further.

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    Again, more form the first article:

    "The decadent left, their media allies and Democratic Party mob bosses are going to keep Enron in the headlines until November 7th. And the result of that constant media barrage will be to create a crisis and thus destroy the Republicans. The above groups are perfectly willing to use Enron for their own goals. Think the economy, consumer confidence or the stock market will do good under those conditions?"

    How many scandals can you remember? Let's see, Watergate, Bay of Pigs, Whitewater, etc... The number of economic and political scandals since the Wilson administration is too numerous to mention. While certain scandals may have achieved more dramatic results than others, such as fostering new legislation, public policy changes, the overall affects to the average american have been partially mitigated by the services and support mechanisms in place in municipal, state, and federal government, thanks to the constitution. I could go on with pages of examples, but let's move forward, shall we?

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    Finally, he summarizes:

    "We have no corporate earnings, rising unemployment, debt defaults and the list goes on and on and on. Yet, the official consensus is magically, mysteriously and instantly on April 1st the American economy will recover. It will not recover. It will not recover by June 1st either. And when the dull, dazed and 401k ravaged hordes finally realize that, oh say by May 31st, I expect a depression to start."

    For the first time, AMAZON.com has posted "PRO-FORMA" earnings and showing a profit. If you do not understand, I will explain later.
    Also, we have seen unemployment figures have been declining, check the official site for statistics. Now, he predicts a depression by May 31st! On May 31, 2002, the only major global event that is scheduled is the opening ceremonies of the FIFA World Cup Soccer" championship tournament, sponsored for the first time in ASIA. That's right, Korea and Japan have built stadiums, new roads and facilties, despite the forecast from our friends and are preparing for the millions of soccer fanatics from europe, south-america, and elsewhere to arrive and support their national teams. It is the only sporting event larger than the olympics, but shorter duration.

    I am tired now, and leaving the rest of this up to everyone else. But you get the gist!

  • dubla
    dubla

    yk-

    no response........well color me surprised.

    aa

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    Robert:

    Here is an article from this morning's AP:
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    Jobless Claims Drop for Third Week
    By LEIGH STROPE, AP Labor Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) - New claims for unemployment insurance dropped for the third straight week to the lowest level in almost six months, suggesting a slow economic rebound is finally reaching U.S. workers.

    For the work week ending Jan. 19, new claims for jobless benefits fell by a seasonally adjusted 15,000 to 376,000, the Labor Department (news - web sites) reported Thursday.

    The week before, new jobless claims dropped 8,000 to 391,000, according to revised figures.

    The more stable four-week moving average of claims, which smoothes out week-to-week fluctuations, declined 8,750 to 404,250 - the lowest level since Sept. 1.

    To cope with the ailing economy, which toppled into recession in March, companies have cut production, trimmed hours and let workers go. But analysts say recent economic reports have provided some signs that the recession appears to be bottoming out.

    Despite the optimistic forecasts, many economists say the nation's unemployment rate will continue to rise in the coming months because companies still will be reluctant to hire back workers. December's unemployment rate jumped to a six-year high of 5.8 percent, and economists expect it to top out at close to 7 percent later this year.

    To help jump-start the economy, the Federal Reserve (news - web sites) cut interest rates 11 times in 2001. Many economists think those rate reductions will help the economy recover by the spring.

    For the work week ending Jan. 12, the Labor Department said 42 states and territories posted an increase in initial jobless claims and nine had a decrease.

    The largest increases were in North Carolina, 38,951; California, 34,040; South Carolina, 33,264; Texas, 9,084 and Michigan, 7,633. California increases were from layoffs in the electronics, machinery and service industries, while South Carolina's were in manufacturing industries. North Carolina officials did not offer an explanation for the layoffs.

    The biggest decreases in claims were in New York, 15,929; Wisconsin, 4,458; Iowa, 2,658; Arkansas, 1,774; and Massachusetts, 1,477. Wisconsin reported fewer layoffs in the construction, retail, service and manufacturing industries. New York officials did not offer a reason for the drop.
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    Now, there are only two reasons for this drop. Either the economy is in fact beginning to rebound, OR once individuals have received their obligatory six-months of unemployment insurance, they are no longer listed with "active" claims. Perhaps, they drop off the "books" so to speak and are no longer counted. This would mean thousands, perhaps even a million or so would drop off the unemployment rolls figures every six months. That would indicate a problem far worse than expected. Once unemployment insurance is exhausted, there aren't any other options than flipping burgers.

    Just a hypothesis.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    YK: Glad you are back!! Keep on keeping on!!

    “We all fell down from the milky way, hanging around here for the judgement day, heaven only knows who’s in command.”- Jimmy Buffet

  • Valis
    Valis

    The JWs aren't the only ones. Take a look at these freaks...they sound like some divergent JW group...

    http://www.thefamily.org/endtime/

  • HappyHeathen
    HappyHeathen

    You Know,
    In ten years, we will look back at Mr. McIntosh's predictions and laugh, just as we poke fun at all the Awake articles of the late sixties predicting that the world couldn't possibly go on past 1975. JW's waste so much of their energy on negative things -- how they love the doom and gloom. You people eat it with a spoon!

    HH

  • You Know
    You Know

    But, wait! There's more!

    Click Here
    > http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_02/mcintosh052002.html

    / You Know

  • Eric
    Eric

    McIntosh claims it will get worse over the next five years.

    What a piker, You Know!

    You've claimed the immediate demise in '98, '99, 2000 (you were very big on 2000, you laid bets on 2000, of course you welched), 2001, and now you claim it in 2002. McIntosh has the sense to hedge his doom and gloom with a five year plan.

    This is why the rants of McIntosh get a wee bit of a look and the rants of a "king-priest-wanna-be" get ignored.

    You do remember what you claimed in '98, don't you?

    Eric

  • dubla
    dubla

    just thought id ressurect this thread amidst all the dateline buzz as a reminder that we are merely two days away from complete global financial meltdown according to the article posted by yk at the start of this thread. im sure you will all lose sleep over this in anticipation of fridays big disaster.

    aa

  • dubla
    dubla

    bttt as a reminder of the absurd claims and ridiculous predictions made by the crackpots in the larouche camp. we are one day away from MELTDOWN, get ready!!

    aa

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