Do you know who you are? (page 6)

Markfromcali

You don't need to do the exercise with someone else although it may help, and possibly more so if they're more interested than you are. People also do self-inquiry but it's not like asking questions will magically yield results, and sometimes it's a matter of finding the right question that is most meaningful to the individual. Ultimately it's a matter of interest, that'll direct your attention inward. People will have questions that spontaneously arise along with a great deal of interest, it is so internally motivated that the question doesn't even necessarily come from anywhere else.

agonus

Hi there Alphie, I'm with the Church of Thetan...

Satanus

Yes, i think it's one of the techniques that the scientologists use. They do have a few legit methods. Unfortunately, they use them to increase their own hold on their members, instead of setting them free. The self inquiry method is standard zen meditation, i believe, or close to it.

S

Markfromcali

It's also in Advaita Vedanta, but it's not really about the method. I guess with scientology that's where something like "refreezing" comes in, you'd need to essentially stop at the point where the individual identity is dissolved and go no further in order to restructure and solidity a new identity. What people don't realize is an unidentified consciousness is very functional, because it's rather amorphous and at a certain point you're not going to get someone to go for another stupid lemming identity because it'd be way too easy to see through it.

Actually inquiry is actually a positive and direct way, it doesn't bother so much with who you are not.

poppers

The self inquiry method is standard zen meditation, i believe, or close to it.

Self-inquiry (atma-vicara) was Ramana Maharshi's primary teaching.

Satanus

Hi poppers

I was just thinking of you.

S

Joey Jo-Jo

This thread reminds me of some scenes from NGE

Shinji: Nobody understands me.

Rei: You never understood anything.

Shinji: I thought this was supposed to be a world without pain, and without uncertainty.

Rei: That's because you thought that everyone else felt the same as you do.

Shinji: You betrayed me! You betrayed my feelings!

Rei: You misunderstood from the very beginning. You just believed what you wanted to believe.

Shinji: Nobody wants me. So they can all just die.

Rei: Then what is your hand for?

Shinji: Nobody cares whether or not I exist. Nothing ever changes. So they can all just die.

Rei: Then tell me; what is your heart for?

Shinji: It would be better if I never existed... I should just die, too.

Rei: Then why are you here?

[Flashback image of Shinji as a child, abandoned and crying]

Shinji: I-is it okay for me to be here?

[White text on black: "Silence". Shinji screams]

Kaworu: You know pain is something man must endure in his heart, and since the heart feels pain so easily some believe life is pain. You are delicate like glass, especially your heart.

Shinji: I am?

Kaworu: Yes, and worth earning my empathy.

Shinji: Empathy?

Kaworu: I'm saying I love you.

Kaworu: It is my destiny to live forever, though my survival will bring final destruction to the human race. However, it is possible for me to be killed, and whether I live or die makes no great difference. In truth, death may be the only absolute freedom there is.

Shinji: What are you? Kaworu, I don't understand what you are talking about, Kaworu.

Kaworu: This is my wish: please, destroy me. Otherwise, you will be destroyed. Only one life-form can be chosen to evade the destruction and seize the future! And yours is not the existence which should die. You need the future, it is what you live for!

Asuka: [naked and smiling at Shinji] Hey Shinji, you idiot! Want to become of one mind and one body?

[The Angel Armisael is merging with Unit 00 while Rei is synchronized with it, and telepathically makes contact with Rei's mind, appearing as an image of Rei]

Rei: Who is this? You? Myself and an EVA. No, I sense somebody other than myself. Who are you? An Angel? Are you one of the beings we call the Angels?

Armisael: Don't you want to become one with me?

Rei: No. I am me. Not you.

Armisael: Hmm, but you shall. It's too late. I will share part of my mind with you. Let me share with you these emotions. This is pain. Do you feel this pain?

Rei: This pain? No, it's different. Loneliness. Yes. Loneliness.

Armisael: Loneliness? I don't understand.

Rei: You don't want to be by yourself, correct? We are many but you are alone. You hate it don't you?

Armisael: That is what it is to be lonely? That is what your mind is. It is what fills your soul. You are that sorrow.

flipper

I know who I am- I'm the same guy I was when I woke up this morning. I am the Alpha & the Omega. Beginning & end. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

chicken little

I said, I am. So I am. Am what? Now that is the question. Over forty years ago as a kid I thought maybe I could be the product of someone else's imagination, living not my life but theirs. It was a thought that stayed with me for many years, in my late twenties I thought there could be a parallel universe out there. In my late forties I gave up God. Now? Who knows me? Not me.

cameo-d

Cyberjesus: wouldnt be also smart to investigate what are we made of and why? where this material comes from?

I am a spirit being. My Creator has allowed me to temporarily fuse with earth elements in order to experience this realm. My genetics are from humans, my spiritual core is from the Prime Creator.

Genealogies may be useful for determining physical characteristics, but it has nothing to do with your soul.

Do you know who you are?

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