"Life Saving Blood Transfusions"

by sabastious 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I like how the author of the article's main point of contention wasn't any scientific data or research about the effectiveness of transfusions but rather simply the "ewww!" factor.

    The numbers of dead cells are meaningless without any accompanying data showing IF fresher blood, or even blood recirculated autologously works better than blood stored for a few days.

    By the way, isn't stored blood refrigerated to the point where the "dying" of cells is arrested? Is there ANY evidence that three-day old blood pulled out of the fridge is any worse than hour-old blood? Not in this article there isn't.

    Also, Your body creates red blood cells at the astonishing rate of 2 million to 3 million per second! That's an amazing little factoid, but it makes you think: if your bone marrow is creating 2 million cells per second, it is doing so because 2 million blood cells are dying per second.

    It may make you think that but would your thought be correct? No, not really. No science is brought to bear on the topic in the article because it would put the author's point in doubt. The article doesn't mention that the body has macrophages that recycle red blood cells when they are 3 to 4 months old, keeping the red blood cells within the body fresh and young. No, it says one would think that the cells just die and implies that you crap them out. That's not how the body works and it is sad that this clown got this story published.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    That's right PS,

    If it's so bad how come they now allow fractions from stored blood?

    Yes doctors are taking a long hard look at stored blood, if they didn't

    there wouldn't be any advancements on how to improve things.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    It is only a question of time before the "new light" will make BT under emergency situations ( patient will die without it) allowed also.

    I don't think so PSacramento, the reason being that if this doctrine was to be removed out the WTS/JWS there would be

    numerous wrongful death law suits levied against the organization, which would create a devastating public image blow ,

    as well as a financial one.

    As its known lawyers do play a deciding role on Watchtower polices in conjunction with the GB members.

    I could just imagine how my father would feel if after all the fighting he did to stop my mother from having a blood transfusion,

    only to find it was all a pitiful waste of his time and cost the life of my mother.

    There is a pretentious image that is set up by this organization and that is its the one only true Representative of god here on earth,

    under that premise the leaders have to very careful about changing long standing doctrines, particularly ones that posed such a stressful

    personal dilemma into peoples lives.

  • TD
    TD

    Good grief....

    There is so much misinformation here, I hardly know where to start.

    First: Underwood introduces the subject with a mention of a cut finger and the replacement of lost blood. While it's true that transfusions are often given to counter exsanguination, that is only one facet of the issue. Blood is given for many other reasons besides surgical blood loss.

    Let's take just one example: Severe forms of leukemia, aplastic anemia, lymphoma and Hodgkins' disease were once thought to be incurable. A diagnosis was a death sentence. Via bone marrow transplant, thousands of lives are now saved every year and a great many people are alive today who would otherwise be dead.

    However since chemotherapy intense enough to destroy the diseased marrow brings the production of erythrocytes to a halt and there is a period of weeks, sometimes even months before the grafted marrow is producing them again, transfusion remains an integral part of this procedure.

    The simple fact is a leukemia patient can receive several hundred transfusions during the course of treatment even without bone marrow transplant. In 2002, an article appeared in The Oncologist entitled, "Faith Identity and Leukemia: When Blood Products Are Not An Option." The article was aimed at helping medical professionals deal with the feelings of guilt, frustration and anger associated with the routine loss of Witness leukemia patients. As the article pointed out, lasting remissions are extremely rare among Witnesses leukemia patients because of their refusal of transfusion.

    Second: Underwood speaks of "2 million red blood cells dying per second." Yet circulating Erythrocytes are simply capsules of hemoglobin. --No nucleus, no DNA, no mitochondria or other organelles. Circulating Erythrocytes do not grow, they do not reproduce, they do not respond to external stimuli. In short, they do not exhibit the biological criteria which defines life.

    Therefore, it is incorrect to speak of them "dying" and it is misleading, dishonest, and disingenuous to speak of them beginning to "Putrify." (Putrification is the bacterial breakdown of a dead organism.)

    What actually happens is this: Since free hemoglobin is toxic in circulation, your body destroys erythrocytes at the first sign of damage to the outer membrane. This process is called erythrophagocytosis. Phagocytic cells in the liver and spleen attack and digest erythrocytes that exhibit signs of wearing out. The iron is stripped off the hemoglobin molecule and reused. The porphyrin, heme is converted through a series of steps into free bilirubin, which is released back into the blood stream and binds to the albumin protein. Free bilirubin is conjugated by heptacytes in the liver and secreted into the bile canaliculus as part of bile where it is delivered to the small intestine as a digestive fluid. It is an elegant process. Nothing dies, nothing "putrifies" and nothing is wasted.

    Third: Underwood next speaks of dead leukocytes in a "Unit of stored blood." For reasons ranging from efficacy and safety to simple economics, blood is separated into components within hours after donation. Whole blood is not available except through special written request to a blood bank and leukocytes are not generally transfused, except in cutting edge treatments like peripheral stem cell autografting where a very specific precursor cell is involved. The components of blood that actually are transfused are processed so that things like cellular debris, heparin, fat, free hemoglobin are removed.

    Fourth: By creating the mistaken impression that transfusion involves the transfer of unprocessed, unfiltered blood directly from one person to another similar in nature to the original artery to vein transfusions practiced by Crile and others at the very beginning of the 20th century, Underwood has set the stage for a nonexistent dilemma: What is going to happen when a "quart of rotting material" is routed into your arteries? As he so eloquently and scientifically puts it, "eeeew."

    This transparent attempt to vilify transfusion medicine is incorrect at many levels.

    It is true that the blood plasma acts as the vehicle for the soluable waste, urea. It's equally true that the plasma is removed from a unit of red cells and processed before it is frozen. A transfusion of red cells is one thing. A transfusion of plasma is something else entirely. Since Underwood himself (incorrectly) states that, "..transporting oxygen to your cells is kind of the whole point of transfusing blood" the reader has no other choice but to again conclude that the he has no concept of blood component therapy which has been the normative procedure for several decades now.

    Like most Jehovah's Witnesses, and perhaps laypersons in general, Underwood seems to be confused at a very basic level over the differences between the digestive system and the immune system. Your blood does not transport solid waste to your intestine to become feces. Feces is the solid material left in your intestine after the soluable nutrients have been absorbed by the plasma. Your body simply takes what it wants and leaves the rest behind. (No pun intended)

    The disposal of cellular components within the body is an entirely different process carried out by the immune system. With the exception of heme, which as I've described above, actually becomes bile, there is no waste because we're dealing with tissue whose components can be reused, not raw organic material taken in for digestion.

    Fifth: While it is true that advances in bloodless medicine are greatly reducing the administration of red cells in scheduled surgery and that patients actually fair better with the less invasive procedures that have been developed along the way, it is equally true that bloodless medicine works primarily through blood conservation, which is limiting blood loss by controlling the bleeding. When bleeding is properly managed in the rigorously controlled environment of the operating room, the patient never gets to the point where doctors feel that a transfusion is necessary.

    But bleeding cannot always be controlled. Trauma victims can experience catastrophic blood loss before emergency services even arrive. There was a DPS motorcycle officer here in Phoenix involved in a bad accident a few years ago. Multiple surgeries were required in a short period of time to put her back together and there was a Valley-wide blood drive in her behalf. Hundreds of units of blood were collected.

    To apply the success of bloodless medicine to unscheduled surgery and other scenarios where blood conservation techniques are only marginally applicable is to deny in effect that it is possible to bleed to death, which is insane. The facts clearly contradict this idea. The Lancet reported that more than 60% of Witness patients whose preoperative hemoglobin had fallen below 6 g/dl died following the surgery. Multiple studies of maternal deaths have shown that mortality is many times higher among Jehovah's Witnesses than among the general population.

    Underwood's treatment of this subject is incorrect to the point of being reprehensible. He should stick to religion

  • agonus
    agonus

    I tend to agree with TheTrueone. If they start making exceptions to save lives or say in print it's either entirely a conscience matter and/or disfellowshipping/"voluntary disassociation" is no longer threatened in such cases, well, let's just say the out-of-court settlements will make those child abuse cases look like small potatoes.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Not sure about that thetrueone, remember that organ transplants and the prohibition against them cased many deaths too.

    I am sure that one day we will discover that some GB member or one of his family needed a organ transplant and voila, it's ok and I am sure that one day we will discover that was also the case for blood fractions being accepted.

    Blood transfusions will start being acceptebale under the condition that they are emergency ones and the no other alternative can save the person and then, over time they will no longer be grounds for disfellowship.

    It truly is a question of time and "new light".

    One hopes at least.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    TD, I don't know if we say it enough, but you are a huge asset to this forum !

    Thanks for, once again, clearing it up for us "laypeople" :)

  • agonus
    agonus

    I suspect that there are a HELL of a lot more Dubs now who are conflicted over the blood issue than ever were over organ transplants. Dubs of today aren't of the same stock of those of yesteryear, and the issue has become much more of an organizational linchpin, not to mention nobody can actually comprehend the reasoning (or at least the paperwork) behind it. When you ask the average person what they think (if anything) about the Witnesses, it's pretty much "those people who knock on doors, don't celebrate holidays or do blood transfusions".

  • agonus
    agonus

    I would even venture to say that "No blood" has become more of a byword than "No Trinity" and "No Hell."

  • agonus
    agonus

    Plus, I think a lot more CHILDREN have died over the blood issue, a fact the WT gloats over in print.

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