Daniel’s “70 weeks” in the WT book “The Bible – God’s Word or Man’s?”

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  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    I have just completed my study into the Watchtowers’ interpretation of the “70 weeks” of Daniel 9, as given in its book, “The Bible – God’s Word or Mans?”

    This is a critique of the Watchtower’s explanation. The Tower says this prophecy exactly predicted the year of Christ’s baptism and death, as well as the year that the message started going to the Gentiles. They say that because God is able to predict the future, and that this prophecy was definitely fulfilled in Jesus, this is evidence that the Bible is “God’s Word”

    Is the Watchtower’s explanation valid? Did Daniel most definitely predict Jesus as the Watchtower claims?

    My critique is available at:

    http://www.jwstudies.com/Critique_of_GM_on_Daniel_9.pdf

    I am really very keen to receive corrections and criticisms.

    Doug

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    80 pages good effort!, I have not read your pdf (but I will be reading it), gentile times reconsidered is really a good book, 17 ways which not only proves the JW to be wrong but also the bible to be accurate.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I have just printed it off, but won't be able to read it in depth for a couple of days. You have tackled a topic I have wanted to do for some time, and in great detail, so I am going to throughly enjoy it.

  • bohm
    bohm

    I have just read the PDF, really, really good stuff.

    The following is from the conclusion:

    The analysis of GM‘s interpretation of Daniel 9 discussed:

    • The wording of the prophecy is so loose that it enables a wide range of plausible interpretations, many of which do not include a fulfilment in the ministry of Jesus.
    • These interpretations provide a wide range of starting events, with each event assigned a range of dates.
    • Explanations and dates often begin from the predetermined outcome upon Jesus and then they work back in time to seek events that may be linked.
    • The total focus of Daniel 9 is the state of Jerusalem and its sanctuary.
    • The message given to Daniel speaks of ?sevens?, not ?weeks?.
    • The expression is theological and ritual, based on expressions in the Law.
    • There is no indication how the sets of ?sevens? run. They might operate continually, without intervening breaks; they might overlap, they might have breaks.
    • Instead of the 70 years probation at the hand of Babylon, the people were given an extended probationary period of 70 ?sevens?. By the end of the second lot of ?sevens?, the people would have had to demonstrate a return to righteousness.
    • The message does not speak of a ?decree? nor does it say that it would come from a secular ruler. The Hebrew simply means a ?word?; they were uttered by the Lord God through his prophets, such as Jeremiah.
    • The promise to rebuild the city and the sanctuary was uttered by the Lord God through his prophets.
    • The promise to restore his people, which included spiritual restoration, was uttered by the Lord God through his prophets.
    • There is no precise date when the Lord God made his commitments, and their fulfilments were conditional on the people‘s genuine contrition and repentance.
    • Towards the end of that period an anointed ruler would arise for a short time; his followers would do despicable things towards the temple of God.
    • Those who relate the prophecy to the length of Jesus‘ ministry are unable to show how many years he ministered. Estimates range from 12 months to 14 years, maybe even 16 years.
  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Instead of the 70 years probation at the hand of Babylon, the people were given an extended probationary period of 70 ?sevens?. By the end of the second lot of ?sevens?, the people would have had to demonstrate a return to righteousness.

    That makes sense, similar to Jesus saying we should forgive 70 x 7 times, showing a figurative message.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Excellent job, Doug. I think you lay out the complexities and problems very well. You show that the interpretation the Society claims is self-evident is actually not supported by the text itself. The purpose and intent of ch. 9 rather comes into focus when it is understood that it is talking about the same thing that the visions in ch. 8 and 10-11 are concerned with: the sanctity of the Temple in the post-exilic period, climaxing in the defiling of the Temple under Antiochus Epiphanes (the "little horn" from the kingdom of Greece in ch. 8). The question of "how long" from ch. 8 receives a specific answer in the periodization scheme of ch. 9, and the question of "why" the Temple remains in such a state so long after the return from Exile is also answered by the angel. The scheme the author adopts is intelligible because it is interpretive of both Jeremiah and Leviticus (it uses Leviticus to interpret Jeremiah), such that the 70 years is expanded into a duration of 490 years on account of the "sevenfold" curse (the curse alluded to in Daniel 9:11). This is a time period determined not by actual chronological concerns but ideological ones.

    As you point out, the chapter is not concerned with the timing of the arrival of the Messiah. There is nothing about this in the prayer that Daniel gives; he is asking for the curses against Jerusalem and its Temple to come to an end. It is the same with ch. 8, which inquires on when the defiling of the sanctuary would come to an end so that it would be reconsecrated (v. 13-14). The Society's interpretation in fact has the seventy weeks end with the Temple, if not yet ruins (soon to be in AD 70), being rendered wholly illegitimate to God, whereas v. 24 makes clear that the period is one in which the holy city atones for its transgression, ending with its being brought to a state of everlasting righteousness (again, compare with 8:14). The messianic interpretation is forced from the text by the NWT rendering of Hebrew mshych as "Messiah" (the only place in the OT where the NWT renders the word this way in the text), and from the conflation of the two "anointed" figures in the text into a single Messiah. The term usually has the meaning "anointed one" applied to kings and priests in the OT and within the context of the discussion in ch. 8-9 of the Temple, a sacerdotal sense is manifest here (especially with respect to the anointing of the Holy of Holies in v. 24). The conflation of the two anointed figures, encouraged by Theodotion's version (which replaced the LXX in early Christianity), is not permitted by the MT's punctuation, which has a period of some 62 weeks separating the two anointed figures apart. This is supported by the immediate context and syntax, as well as by the early interpretations of the text found in Hippolytus and others (in spite of the fact that their translation was that of Theodotion). The duration is that of the post-exilic high priesthood, marked off by its institution after the exile (the coming of the anointed one in v. 25) and its end at the start of the final week (= the deposing and assassination of the high priest, cf. 11:22). The Testament of Levi, for instance, viewed the seventy weeks as a time of corruption for the post-exilic priesthood. What is especially conspicuous is that the Society's interpretation relates the cessation of sacrifice and offering, which was effected by Jesus' willing submitting to crucifixion in AD 33 (offering ceased in the sense that it was no longer acceptable to God). But within the context of the Hebrew apocalypse, the cessation of sacrifice and offering was effected by the "little horn", the Gentile king who was an antagonist against God and his Temple (see 8:11-13, 11:31). Indeed the reference to the"armed forces who descecrate the sanctuary fortress and abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation" in 11:31 is clearly parallel to the references in 9:26-27 to the "people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary", with the ruler "putting an end to sacrifice and offering" and "setting up" the abomination(s). Within the context of Daniel, the one who puts an end to offering is a villianous figure, not messianic. And it is not clear to me who the "ruler who is to come" is supposed to be in the Watchtower interpretation. But reading ch. 9 in connection with ch. 8 and 10-11, this figure is clearly cognate to the "little horn" of ch. 8 and the villianous king of ch. 11. The Watchtower interpretation also vaguely connects the final desolation of Jerusalem (and the setting up of the abomination of desolation) in 9:27 with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. This draws on the interpretation of ch. 9 and 11 found in the synoptic gospels, which related the terminus of the seventy weeks to Jewish Revolt and war. But there is no explanation of how to stretch this week all the way to AD 70 (which already is interpreted as terminating with the conversion of Cornelius) without assuming some sort of gap (a gap is also common in modern dispensationalist interpretations), though there is no indication whatsoever of a gap in the text.

  • pirata
    pirata

    Does that mean that other Christian religions do not that prophecy to Jesus ministry/birth/death?

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Oh no, there are similar interpretations in other modern Christian groups. The Society certainly did not innovate anything new in following this interpretation. They build on interpretations stretching back to the church fathers of the third and fourth centuries AD. Even as late as that time, there were Christians who used the seventy weeks oracle as a means for fixing the date of the end of the world. Viewing the oracle as an already fulfilled prophecy certainly helped to mitigate against such speculations.

  • pirata
    pirata

    Thanks Leolaia. It seems to me that the only prophecies were something seemed to have happened were harvested from other religions. I remember when I discovered that Miller had come up with the 2520 years, and the Herald of the Morning had already pinpointed 1914 before Rusell had discovered it. JW leadership hangs onto 1914 as if it was their own discovery since it's the only predition with a shred of credibility (be cause a war happened to start). The latest DVD also creates that false impression that Rusell figured out 1914 (but attributes a lot of Rusell's doctrine as having come from Storrs, Barbour, etc).

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    But there is no explanation of how to stretch this week all the way to AD 70 (which already is interpreted as terminating with the conversion of Cornelius) without assuming some sort of gap (a gap is also common in modern dispensationalist interpretations), though there is no indication whatsoever of a gap in the text.

    This is a very interesting point. I am surprised that, as a JW, I never noticed the unmentioned gap from 36CE to 70CE.

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