I NEVER WILL

by getingout 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    GetingOut:

    I for one, admire your candor! You have quickly and precisely pin-pointed several trends that occur with "certain members" in this forum.

    There is a remarkable effort to "piggyback" personal baggage onto serious issues and latch onto the "activist bandwagon". I see it every day, AND I too am guilty of this, I think.

    However, I appreciate your frank open style, (though I disagree with your expletives) and you are honest, in my opinion. I hope you continue visiting and posting in this forum. We are all benefitted by new perspectives, new personalities, new ideas, AND to steal a few lyrics from an old song, "NEW DIMENSION, NEW COLOR, NEW VALUE"!

    So, please keep pumping up the volume and go on with your bad self, preach on brother-man!

  • mommy
    mommy

    Hey getting out,
    I have been away from the board for awhile and I have not seen any of your posts. I am very glad to make your aquaintance, any person who will stand up for children are tops in my book. I also agree that many here make blanket statements about active JW's that are not neccesarily true of all active members. I do not agree with doing this.

    I rememebr how it was to be an JW, it is a very sheltered life. Safe, is a good word to use. We were no part of the world, we were different than any other group on the planet, we were god's chosen people, we were special. At assemblies we could leave our purses and jackets on the seats and feel safe they would not be taken. We could leave our children alone in the car with another adult while in field service, sometimes for an hour without the fear of that person causing harm to them. We were a big huge family.

    Now, ask yoursef...If your child was molested, and you knew the person who did it, took it to a JC but no action could be taken because there was not more than 1 witness how would you feel? Or suppose the molester was repentant and was publicly reproved, you honestly would be able to notify the members of the cong why he was reproved? Or would you be counseled or even reproved yourself because of slandering his name? Now take it another step further. This person leaves your congregation and travels to another, then another spreading his sick disease with him. Who is notifying these parents of the danger? Nobody because anyone who is aware is required to keep silent due to policies in place.

    I personally never, ever thought about child molesters in the org until I read Silentlambs accounts. I guess I had my blinders on that this could happen in the one true religion. Maybe I was naive and as you said am not aware that molesters are everywhere. But I do feel that the org would be safer for kids if the policies in place change. As they are now, the only one who is protected is the molester.

    Please don't leave There are lots of good ones here, we are all just at different stages.
    wendy

    When I leave, you will know I have been here

  • Gozz
    Gozz
    What about those of you who support our government how many women and children have been raped in those places? does that make you a protecter or child molester?

    William , if you have been doing your research on the system, you must know by now that the justice system will give at most (in most cases) six months to child molesters and they can get out in three months on good behaviour.

    It's unfair to call all JWs child molesters. And you make the point in part of your posts. But many wouldn't object to a statement that we live in a society that protects child molesters; of course, the measure of 'protection' is subjective, but all decent people would have a convergence on what could be agreed to be protection. But how can you lump the US justice system with the JW system? The JW system is believed by misinformed JWs and the uninformed public as operating on a code of ethics superior to that of the US justice system. That is especially what JWs will have everyone believe. But the stories from the Molestation projects show otherwise. It could be a bad tactic, but you shouldn't get mad at being lumped with the rest of the JW system; all JWs share the praise of being a 'clean', 'Spirit-directed', 'happy' organization.

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    I’m not African-American. I’m a white, working class male. While not a minority, I am among one of the most discriminated classes of people in the world. On top of that I grew up as a Cajun in a world that made as much fun of us as the black boys with which I played as a child. So I know discrimination as well. So, with that out of the way, I would like to address some of your comments.

    “I have NEVER and NEVER will protect a child molester”

    Good for you. Me neither.

    “Calling me a protecter of a child molester because I am a JW is dumb.”

    Agreed.

    “Can any of you name one place or organization that does not have child molesters?” And in another post on the same thread: “Again, name one organization that does not have these problems? .............out of the cult and supports the government? some church group?”

    Good point, since I don’t think that anyone can truthfully answer that question in the affirmative. However, this is the exact point that poses a problem for me as a witness. You see, I’ve been told, and persuaded to believe, that ours is NOT just any organization, not just a religion or church, and certainly not a cult. So when the organization that has persuaded me to conclude that it is God’s one and only servant here on earth experiences the same problems that are common to ALL organizations, it troubles me to no end.

    When, as an elder, I receive a letter from God’s ‘faithful steward’ that tells me that in case a child is molested and it comes to our attention, the first thing that we must do is call the LEGAL DEPARTMENT of the Society, it causes me further concern. My criticism of the society is not based on it being like all other organizations but rather as being God’s visible organization that must, by it’s very claim, be held to a higher standard, one that has nothing to do with legalities.

    You also say: “I see most people are using the child molester issues only because they want to take down the WT for some other personal reason.. They want to pretend they are doing it for the children but when I read their words their true intentions comes out. “ I would agree with that statement if the word ‘most’ could be changed to read ‘a number of’. “Most” may be an accurate term but I have no way of assessing that so I would prefer the latter term. There are people here who would use (I will temper this with the word, virtually) ANY means to bring down the WTBS. That’s true. That makes them the same as elders who will use (virtually) any means to df someone that is a constant ‘troublemaker’ in the congregation. That does not, however, negate or dilute a real and existing problem that exists in the congregations.

    “People here are not to different from JWS that I know, I see the same attitudes at meetings.”

    I would agree again if I would be allowed to preface that statement with the qualifier: “A number of”. The difference in the two classes of people, I believe, is that the latter do not claim to be exclusively God’s people and therefore better than anyone else. You may not personally make that claim nor even harbor that sentiment yourself but you and I do belong to a society that does exactly that.

    All in all you bring up some fine points. There is no justifiable reason to go calling all witnesses protectors of child molesters. We must also evaluate our motives for what we are doing here if we would suppose, even to ourselves alone, that we are any better than that which we wish to leave. We must continually work toward exercising forbearance and tolerance toward our brothers and sisters who remain within the organization who are still fully convinced of what we ourselves fell prey to years previous but from which we are eternally grateful to have been released by the enlightenment, in full or in part, we received from fellow posters such as are here now.

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