Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-21-10 WT Study (LEADER CHRIST)

by blondie 22 Replies latest jw friends

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  sir82

  Paragraph 8 seems to directly contradict paragraph 1.

  Paragraph 1:

  Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize no human as their leader. They are not disciples or followers of any man.

  Paragraph 8:

  The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following

  their Leader, Christ.

  Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the Governing Body composed of humans?

  Or at least, can someone explain why "following the lead of men" is not the same as being a "follower of men"?

  Of course, during the actual WT study, no one seemd to notice this.
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  snowbird

  Ah, but, Sir 82, the GB is not composed of ordinary men.

  These are anointed, spirit-begotten brothers of Christ!

  Do try to keep up with Jah's chariot!

  Syl

  Edited to add: Thank you so much, Blondie, for all you do. May you continue to be blessed.
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  Doubting Bro

  I'm so glad I didn't go yesterday. I couldn't believe they would have the audacity to say in paragraph 1 that other religions look to human leaders like the pope, etc and JWs don't but yet say that following the GB is the same as following Jesus. Yet, that's exactly what other religions claim as well. That's so bold. I wonder if the writing committee is seeing just how far they can push this long?

  Also, did you note that it didn't say follwing the "faithful and discreet slave class" but rather just the GB? They've marginalized the folks that claim to be annointed already but have not said that only the GB is the FDS although that's been implied for years. It seems like they're finally at the point where people are comfortable with it and will continue the practice of making the two interchangable.
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  WTWizard

  Seems they have more phrases to indicate they are not so sure that what they are printing is the truth, but you had better believe them anyways. "It is reasonable to believe"--why? "We have reason to believe"--such as what? If people are to stake their lives on it and not to do independent research, this is not good enough.

  Speaking of not doing independent research, who was it that made that rule? And, who is the only source the witlesses are allowed to use? None other than the good old Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger! Even if a doctrine is blatantly wrong, and can be proven with their own Bible, you are required to abide by and teach the bad doctrine until the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger itself fixes it. And they are trying to claim Jesus is their leader and ours?
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  Reopened Mind

  Blondie, my husband & I have been enjoying your comments for quite a while now. We eagerly look for them every weekend.

  We hadn't read your post before the meeting yesterday, but made similar comments ourselves (quietly to each other of course) on

  paragraphs 1 & 8. We couldn't help but notice the subtle shift from "faithful and discreet slave" to "Governing Body" to "Jesus Christ".

  As always we appreciate the extra research you give to back up what you say.

  Reopened Mind
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  BluesBrother

  An article on the "Leadership of Christ" that would seem only to underline the claim to be Christian despite be Jehovah's Witnesses.

  I think the shortest study I have seen, at 16 paragraphs. It would be entirely unremarkable if it were not for this amazing statement which for sheer audacity takes the breath away

  The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

  So, then to follow them is to follow Christ, to disobey is to disobey Christ ! They have the nerve to slam the Catholics in the same article for following The Pope...He also only claims to be the "Vicar of Christ"...What next for the next-to-Christ governing Body, I wonder?

  Actually, does this statement not contradict the whole theme of the article? If they have no other leader but Christ, how do the G B "lead"? They must be leaders, by definition. It is an oxymoron....

  Do not forget that the study 2 weeks ago said that by following the WT literature, they are taught "Not from men but from Jehovah" (page 13 of the same issue)

  BTW some of the dubs take more to convince them though...In the review q's about leading the congo, one mature sister who has been through a lot raised her hand and emphatically declared that "lets not forget that elders and the G B are only HUMAN and can make mistakes, too".....The older ones read between the lines !
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  pirata

  that the doctrine of The Christ is the 144,000 + 1

  Are there any references for this statement?
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Thanks Blondie! Continuously they repeat the message that the GB is to be treated like Christ. Here was something else...

  Para. 8: Also by means of holy spirit, Christ gave “gifts in men,” some “as shepherds and teachers” in the congregation. (Eph. 4:8,11)

  First the quote is wrong. In NWT it is "gifts [in] men", not "gifts in men". Brackets are there for a reason. Second, NWT is wrong with what they put in those brackets. Even when you look at the Kingdom Interlinear text, it agrees with most translations that state "gifts to men". Jesus didn't give "human leaders" as gifts, the GB and elders are no "gift". They also left out the part of verse 11 stating that some of those men had the gift of preaching. Today, JWs are held under the threat that if they don't all preach, they'll never have a pet lion and never see their dead loved ones resurrected in an earthly paradise.
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  AnnOMaly

  "... that the doctrine of The Christ is the 144,000 + 1"

  Are there any references for this statement?

  Yes pirata, plenty. Here's a sample:

  From the Millions book (1920),

  The word Christ here means anointed one. The word Messiah means the same thing. The Christ consists of Jesus glorified, the head, and the members of his body, which constitutes the church. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - p. 76.

  Messiah's kingdom once established, Jesus and his glorified church constituting the great Messiah, shall minister the blessings to the people they have so long desired and hoped for and prayed might come. - p. 88.

  From the Harp of God book (1921, 1928 ed.),

  The word "Christ" signifies anointed. ... The Christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind. The Christ is composed of Jesus, the great and mighty head, and 144,000 members. (Revelation 7:4) Christ Jesus is the head and the church his body. - p. 191.

  "The mystery" is the Christ, the anointed class, Jesus the head and his body members, designated in the Scriptures as 'the seed of Abraham, according to the promise'. (Colossians 1: 26, 27) It is the repeatedly announced purpose of Jehovah that through this seed all families of the earth shall be blessed. (Galatians 3: 8,16,27, 29) - p. 329.

  To add: If you can access Gruss' book on The Four Presidents of the Watchtower Society on Google Books, and tap in the search box "the Christ," you'll see a few more examples.
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  bobld

  Thanks Blondie

  Para.1 Jehovah's Wintnesses do not have a leader.HELLO!you are not a religion you are a publishing company with M.H.Larson as president.You refer to your publications such and such as published by Jehovah's Wintnesses.You have a cult fallowing.

  B