how long has man lived on the earth????

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master chief

I was speaking recently to a jw and we talked about various topics and then i asked her about how long man has lived on the earth she said according to reliable history she said about 6000 years which begining with adam and eve, but what i have learned through external research that reliable history dates man back to millions of years she then said you shouldnt trust dating methods huh so i said the watchtower is keen to use history to show favour to the bible but then dismisses it when it opposes it, so she said they cant prove it so then i said she cant prove her theories she said i can its from bible "huh is she real" she said you must have faith in the bible.but anyway thats jws for u. 1 more thing i was told there has been other civilisations previous to adam and eve does anyone know more about this
Okidok

Hi master chief.
I think man have lived on earth more than 6000 years.
There are many theories, here is one of them.
The article is called Dr. Stone's Easy To Read Encyclopedia of ASCENSION by Joshua David Stone, Ph.D. This article was extracted from Dr. Joshua David Stone's newly published book, "The Complete Ascension Manual".
When I first got started on The Path many of the people asked me if I had read about Edgar Cayce and I told them that I hadn't. Finally after so many did ask me this question, I did read such books as There Is A River and others. Let me be the first to tell you that when they told me the information was good, they were telling the truth. I will now put down some information that sounds a lot like the way he would explain something. He always had an odd way of explaining our past history. Sometime it's not exactly literal but it is one way of looking at things. I hope you will become a fan of his. He is now on the other side.
The following story of creation is quite an amazing, and often unbelievable story. I just want to qualify this chapter by saying that I didn't make any of this up myself. All of this information comes directly out of the universal mind channelings of Edgar Cayce, and other sources such as Djwhal Khul, Ruth Montogomery, The Tibetan Fonndation and other similar types of channelings. The amazing thing is that all these different sources tell a basically similar story, so I know that I am very much on the mark, although some of it may be quite surprising to some readers.
In the beginning was this one source of light, the one presence, called GOD. God, In His great joy and love, had a desire to create, to express himself. From this undifferentiated state God created suns, moons, galaxies, universes and He liked what He had created. Something however, was missing - companionship. God wanted to create self conscious beings who could share His joy of creation. Out of the infinity of God came trillions of sparks of light made in His image.
Out of this expression also came Amilius, the light, the first expression of the Divine mind; the first manifestation of spirit. All souls were created in the beginning and all souls were androgynous. The unique thing about our cretion was the aspect of free choice.
In our creation we went jetting out into the universe creating like God creates, with our mind and extending God's kingdom. We were perfect, and this was the Edenic state. In our travels through the infinity of God, we discovered the physical or material universe and we were intrigued, for in the beginning we didn't have physical bodies, but rather just spiritual bodies.
Then we began projecting a part of ourselves into, let's say the earth, to explore the beauty of matter. There was, in actuality, nothing wrong with this, for the entire infinite universe was a playground of sorts. We began projecting a part of ourselves into a tree to see what a tree was like. Then we would project ourselves into a rock to see what that was like, then into an animal to experience what it was like to eat grass and interrelate with other animals.
In each case we would do this and then we would leave and project ourselves back into the spiritual planes. We would also, then, with the incredible power of our minds create thought forms of animals, through the power of our imagination. These thought forms would begin to densify and we would inhabit these thought form creatures like we would an animal that had already been created.
This was all fine until that moment in creation which the bible refers to as the fall of man. It was in this moment that we forgot who we were, because of our over-identifcation with the material universe. We got caught in the density of matter and thought we were the animals or thought form animal creatures we had created.
In falling under the illusion that we were material instead of spiritual in identity, began the downward spiral of creation. In this moment "ego" began. Ego being a thought system and philosophy based on the illusionary belief in separation, fear, selfishneess, and death.
This phenomena of souls getting more and more deeply caught up in the illusion of matter continued at an alarmig rate. Amilius (an incarnation of Jesus) and other higher beings who had not fallen, knew that something had to be done to help their fellow brothers ans sisters, for man was continuing to create a conglomeration of monstrosities to satisfy his out of control desire.
He created cyclopes, satyrs, centars, unicorns, animal bodies with human heads, beings with hooves, claws, feathers, wings and tails. Man had become trapped in the grotesque bodies that were not suitable for sons and daughters of God. Man even created the first female whose name was Lilith, the forerunner of Eve. This projection was created to again satisfy his selfish carnal desires.
The plan that God and the Godforce created to rectigy this situation was the creation of five physical races on the five continents of the planet. Each race was a different skin color. Each skin color was not better than another, but rather was for the different climate conditions. Certain skin colors were better for certain climates.
The plan was that all those souls who had gotten caught up in matter would use these more perfectly fitted human bodies to incarnate into, that were more fitting to a son and daughter of God. So man did not descend from monkeys as the evolutionist would suggest, we were created.
After the creation of the five races there were 133 million souls on the earth. The red race lived in Atlantis and America. The brown race in the Andes and Lemuria. The yellow race in the Gobi Desert of East Asia, and the black race was in the Sudan and the upper West Africa. The white race in Iran along the Black Sea and the Carpathian Mountains of Central Europe.
The basic plan that God created was reincarnation, that souls would incarnate into these human, rather than animal bodies to reawaken to their true identity as God beings and learn to demonstrate this on earth and hence begin their accent back to the Creator.
This act of creation occurred 10 1/2 million years ago. The animal influences created by the fall, and the initial thought form projections of animals, didn't completely disappear from the earth until around 9,000 B.C. Remnants of these pathetic creatures were later depicted in our mythology and in Assyrian and Egyptian art.
Another factor that added into these grotesque animal creations was the fact in these earliest of times that human beings were able to procreate with the animal species and with these grotesque beings. After human souls separated into male and female, God imposed divine laws making it impossible for human beings to produce offsprings with another species.
Amilius (the first incarnation of Jesus Christ), Himself descended into matter and became the first Adam upon the creation of the five first root races. Adam was the first of the perfected race. The first of the sons of God as opposed to what the Bible refers to as the daughters of men. Adam was an individual, but also a symbol of all five races as was Eve.
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Sanat Kamara, our planetary logos incarnated into this planet at this time. We are currently living in the Aryan root race. This term was completely distorted by Hitler and Nazi Germany, so please don't think of it in those terms. The Aryan race has been in existence for over a million years and will continue for some time more.
The Meruvian root race is just beginning to come into play, so there is kind of an overlapping of root races going on. The name of the seventh root is the Paradisian.
I would also like to add that Dywhal Khul has told me that the first two races, the Polarian and Hyperboean are often referred to a the Pre-Lemurian root race. This is also how the Tibetan Foundation has referenced them. This is because the first two races were not completely physical, as we understand physicality.
Tara, the continent for the final seventh root race is a continent that has not emerged yet from the ocean floor in the distant future. The Polarian, or first root race had huge filamentous bodies, and were more etheric than physical. They were also totally sexless. They multiplied by a process of what scientists refer to as fission or budding. For this reason they were basically immortal. They have been called the "Archetypal race". Their bodies were more gaseous in nature, which is a good way to describe them.
The Hyperborena or second root race were similar to the first, however they slowly but surely began the process of materializing more. Dywhal Khul and the Tibetan Foundation has often just called these two root races "Prelemurian", because they weren't totally physicalized as the Lemurian or third root race was. Human beings, as we know them, began with this third root race.
When human life first manifested on earth in these first two races the only dry land was at the north pole. The rest of the earth was covered with water. This polar continent looked like a skull cap on the head of the earth. This is the only continent that will never submerge under water in the entire manvantara, or world cycle of all seven root races. One other interesting point was that Lemuria was called the "land of Shalmali" at the time it existed.
It is also important to understand that the seven root races all have seven subraces. This makes a total of 49 subraces in a manvantara. An example of this would be in our present Aryan root race. The Hindu began 62,000 years ago. The Arabian 42,000 years ago. The Iranian 32,000 years ago. The Keltic 22,000 year ago. The Teutonic 22,000 years ago. The sixth and seventh subraces of the Aryan root race are evolving in America and in a continent that will be arising in the Pacific Ocean. To make God's plan even more intricate, every subrace has seven family races, which I am not going to get into.
Pre-Lemurian History
There were two great avatars that came in these early Pre-Lemurian times. The first avatar focused on the earth an energy of spiritual attunement. He came forth as a scientist, through a highly developed civilization. His message was to blend the scientific and the spiritual understandings. Humanity didn't accept His message at this time. They weren't ready for it. So this great teacher left. He has since returned into that full fledged cocreator state.
Another great avatar was sent to earth at a later pre-Lemurian time. He was a very tall man and He was fond of wearing a silver robe. He was the first great teacher that really made an impact on the earth. His name was "Lo Chi". Lo Chi anchored courage, wisdom and love in their beginning stages. He took a war torn civilizaiton and began to build a spiritual communnity, and temples all over the land. At the end of His reign a mass ascension took place.
The next great teacher that came changed His approach and stressed the emotional qualities and occupations rather than the scientific as the first avatar had. Some of the greatest art was produced, however the scientific side of society began to shut down. In a sense, a pendulum swing took place, from a more masculine to a more feminine based society. Great strides were made in art, music and dance, but the mental creativity and potency was not there because of this pendulum swing. This began to change over a long period of time and became more balanced and another mass ascension took place.
Vywanus has called these two previous mass ascensions a period of spiritual harvesting. He says that we are again approaching a harvesting time in this century. This has to do with the Planetary Logos. Sanat Kumara in His cosmic evolution has reached another plateau. Each time He reaches one of these plateaus it is time for "harvesting of souls, or mass ascension."
We are currently completing a six thousand, twelve thousand and thirty six thousand year cycle. Each time more than one cycle comes together that period is extremely important. We are in that period now. This harvesting window is approximately 100 years. The end of this one hundred year cycle is from 1995 to the year 2000. The closer to the end of this one hundred year cycle the greater the harvesting. To be incarnated at this time in history is a very great opportunity!
The Electrical Wars
It was also in this Pre-Lemurian period that the planet earth was attacked by another group of beings from another planet who wanted to take it over, called the "Electrical one". Humanity began to defend itself, and this war lasted for 500 years. Earthlings eventually won this battle. The electrical ones were not really evil, but rather simply scientists looking for a new place to live. They came from a very great distance. This war is part of the fear of space ships that still exists to this day in the race consciousness. For these electrical ones took people and animals aboard space ships and did painful experiments on them. A lot of our present day fixations and patterns of attack defense programming stems from this period in the earth's history.
The electrical ones were actually seeking to bring their technology of light to the planet to aid in the trip back to the Source. Humanity and the earth, however, were moving towards greater material density. This was not a negative thing on the part of the earth. The earth was saying that we want to learn everything we can within the densest part of physicality.
A truce was finally declared after 500 years of war and many of the electrical ones left promising to return when the earth was ready. Some stayed in specific areas given to them. The electrical ones stimulated an impatience for this downward materialistic cycle.
Lemuria
Lemuria or Mu was a land mass lying in the Pacific Ocean, that extended from the part of the United States all the way to South America. The Lemurian stage of existence had to do with the race consciousness learning the lesson of physical attunement. Humanity as a whole progresses in stages, and physical attunement was the key lesson during this period of history.
The Lemurians were very philosophical and spiritual people. Much more so than the Atlantean civilization which was much more technologically advanced and focused.
At this period of history great dinosaurs roamed the earth and because of this the Lemurians, to a great extent, had to live underground. They lived in caves hiding from the dinosaurs except to hunt for food. They would make beautifully and artistically decorated caves. The Lemurians were rather small physically. Men were five feet and women a few inches shorter. The survival rate of children was not very high. They lived on grain, berries and fruit.
"It takes two to speak the truth -- one to speak, and another to
hear."
---Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
logical

I dont know any people older than 6000 years.
I dont know any people older than 100 years.
Amazing

Records strongly suggest that civilizaton goes back over 10,000 years. The recently found Kennewick Man was among these civilizes humans, and his remains test back as far as 9800 years. The evidence that the Egyptian Pyramids, such as the Great Pyramid at Giza, are at least 10,000 years old.
As far as the total of human existence, Humanoid remains date back many hundreds of thousands of years. Science just does not know how civilized they were, or exactly when civilization began. Whatever degree of civilization they had, is was slow moving progress, suggesting they were closer to our animal ancestors than to us in mental advancement.
The 6,000 year claims of Young Earth Creatonists, Fundys, and JWs is ridiculous. There is too much evidence on hand the shatters such beliefs to dust.
aChristian

Master,
Bible chronology seems to indicate that only about 4,000 years passed between the creation of Adam and the birth of Christ 2,000 years ago. But paleontologists, anthropologists and archaeologists all assure us that mankind has lived on earth far longer than 6,000 years. For instance, anthropologists date the first settlement of the Americas by modern men to 15,000 B.P. (Before the Present) and their first settlements in Australia to 35,000 B.P. To explain this apparent conflict between well established science and scripture some Bible believers have suggested that there may be gaps in the Genesis genealogies and that, if there are, Adam may have been created by God near the time scientists tell us modern man first appeared on earth. However, such an explanation does not solve the apparent conflicts here referred to because the same scientists who tell us modern man has been around for at least several tens of thousands of years also tell us that the activities Adam and his immediate descendants were involved in did not take place anywhere on earth prior to 10,000 years ago. These things include raising crops, herding animals, forging tools of copper and iron and building cities. (Gen. 4)
I believe this seeming conflict between Bible chronology and well established human history is easily resolved by understanding that the Bible does not tell us that Adam was, in an absolute chronological sense, "the first man." I believe that God simply used Adam and Eve, and orchestrated the events in Eden, to illustrate the unrighteous condition of all mankind. This understanding also answers the often asked questions, "Where did Cain get his wife?" and "Who were the people living in the land 'east of Eden' whom Cain was afraid might kill him?" (Gen. 4:14-17)
The only place in Scripture Adam is referred to as the "first" man is in 1 Cor.15:45-47. There Adam is called "the first man." But there we also find that Jesus is called "the second man." The context shows that the writer of those words was referring to Adam as the "first" man only in his relative chronological position to Christ. In other words, since Adam came "first" and Christ came "second," Adam came before Christ.
Some may object to this understanding, pointing out that Genesis 3:20 tells us "Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all living." However, a careful reading of Genesis 3's context shows us that Adam did so only after God prophesied that He would raise up a Savior and that He would count that Savior as Eve's descendent. (Genesis 3:15) Since everyone given eternal life by God will call that Savior their "Eternal Father" (Isaiah 9:6), Adam could truly say that Eve "would become the mother of all living." For she was the one God said would be counted as the original human ancestor of that promised Savior and "Eternal Father."
Some may also point out that their Bible tells them that God "made from one man every nation of men." (Acts 17:26) However, the words "one man" do not appear in Acts 17:26 in any ancient Bible manuscript. Most ancient manuscripts simply say that God "made from one every nation of Men." Other ancient Greek manuscripts, from which this portion of the Bible is translated, tell us that God "made from one blood every nation of men." For this reason The Amplified Bible here reads God "made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men." The New English Bible translates this verse to tell us that God created every race of men from "one stock." So, Acts 17:26 can only be used to confirm that all people on earth are descended from ancestors who came from the same gene pool, and that all people on earth have the same original source of origin, a teaching which fully agrees with the findings of modern science. This verse does not say, in any Greek manuscript, that mankind's common origin was one man.
Most other objections to this understanding of Scripture come from those who adhere to the doctrine of "The Fall" of mankind. This doctrine is based on what I believe is a misunderstanding of the apostle Paul's words in Romans 5:12-20 and 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.
patio34

The way i see it is that is impossible to continue to hold to a belief in the Bible if one reads scientific literature. Even the science section of the newspaper, National Geographic, or any such lit.
Mankind has been on the North American continent for 10,000 years, not to mention his beginnings on the African continent millions of years ago.
The Bible wasn't even the 1st thing written, as the ancient Sumerians were the 1st to invent and utilize writing mostly for business transactions.
They also had myths of 1st man/woman, flood, king being pulled out of the river, etc. centuries before Moses, et al began writing the Bible.
It seems most logical to deduce the Hebrews borrowed their myths from more ancient sources.
By the way, it is of interest to note that Abraham was from "Ur of the Chaldeans," which was the chief city-state of the Sumerians. quite a coincidence, huh?
For what it's worth,
Pat
"It's easier to put on slippers than to carpet the world." (from "Stuart Saves His Family")
D wiltshire

Evolution and man,
I feel evolution is still happening to man not so observable
in his phsysical appearence but very outstandingly in the Brain.
Here's an observation of mine, and others:First let me quote AMazing
Records strongly suggest that civilizaton goes back over 10,000 years. The recently found Kennewick Man was among these civilizes humans, and his remains test back as far as 9800 years. The evidence that the Egyptian Pyramids, such as the Great Pyramid at Giza, are at least 10,000 years old.
When we look at how far man has come in understanding his world in just 10,000 years,
evolution of the minds abilities to grasp a more,
and more clearer understanding of his world(what's out there)
Look how far man has gotten in 10,000 years,... to the point thru
the use of his IMAGINATION to develope
the theory of relativity, and quantum mechanics.
A strong point for the minds ability progressively
to understand the world outside by evolution of the mind.
Look at his progressive ability to understand
the impossible to see(visually) space time warp created by gravity.
Also the FACT that Life imitates Art.
Look at the evolution of paintings over the last 500 or so years.
The painting of of well defined, and recognizable figures in
3 dimentional space to,
1906-1908 the cubist concentration of 2 dimentional
surfaces with the focus entirely on the element of vision.
Then the Surreal movement 1920-1960s. This type of art required radical independence from the external world that MATHEMATICAL THINKING HAD ALREADY achieved earlier.
A very interesting thing about some of these
very radical works of art:
In 1958 george Schmidt, an art historian had an exhibition
entitled "Form in Art and Nature"
The exhibit presented a number of painting that were
purely abstract and all from the 20th century, and along side of these paintings hung photos of microscope images some from electron microscopes in which great simalarities can be seen in the art a long side them. Even though painted long before the photos taken. Coincidence????? Or is the mind(subconscience) seeing and understanding a lot more of the world than we realize?
I got this from the Book "The Twin Dimensions" Excellent!
Just some food for thought.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
ThiChi

""According to the Bible, When Was Adam Created?
The ages and relationships of the patriarchs, given in Genesis and shown on the opposite page, allow one to estimate Adam’s creation at slightly more than 6,000 years ago. What uncertainties are involved?
a. These ages are based on the Hebrew (Masoretic) text. The corresponding numbers in the Samaritan and Greek (Septuagint) texts place Adam’s creation about 6,200 and 7,300 years ago, respectively. Which text is closest to the original is an open question. As one issue, consider that Methuselah died 14 years after the flood, if one uses the Septuagint—a logical impossibility, considering that he was not on the Ark. (Some sources say the name Methuselah means, “When he is dead, it shall be sent.” According to the numbers in this chart, the flood began in the year Methuselah died.)
b. Some ages in all three texts have apparently been rounded, because too many numbers end in zero or five. Rounding 15 or so ages in Genesis probably would not inject more than 20 years of total error. A possible problem with the Masoretic and Samaritan texts is that Methuselah died exactly in the year of the flood, despite this rounding.
c. Disagreements exist concerning Terah’s age when Abraham was born. Some argue that Terah was 70 years, not the favored 130 years shown in this chart.1
d. Luke 3:36 lists Cainan as the son of Arpachshad and the father of Shelah. In Genesis, Cainan’s name occurs only in recent copies of the Septuagint—not the oldest. Nor is Cainan in the oldest known copy of Luke. Therefore, a copyist probably added Cainan’s name inadvertently, perhaps taking it from Luke 3:37.
e. Most students of the subject place the death of Joseph (Jacob’s son) between 1606 B.C. and 1690 B.C. An error in this date will add a corresponding error to the year of Adam’s creation.
Theistic evolutionists often raise two objections to the chronological information in Genesis.
a. Some say, pointing to Cainan, that the genealogies contain gaps. However, the possibility of gaps is irrelevant to the year of Adam’s creation. Let us assume that many generations existed between two consecutive patriarchs on this chart. The time between their births is fixed by Genesis, no matter how many generations might be missing. (For example, Enosh was born 105 years after Seth’s birth.) The writer or compiler of this information had a careful, systematic, and mathematical way of linking the chronology into one continuous family record—in contrast to other genealogies in the Bible.
b. Some have said that the long ages of the preflood patriarchs resulted from lunar months being incorrectly counted as years. If so, Mahalaleel and Enoch were 5 years old when they had children.
a. Noah was almost a contemporary of Abraham. Noah’s son Shem, born before the flood, nearly outlived Abraham. Surprisingly, many people think of Noah and Shem as relatively ancient (or imaginary) but accept Abraham as historically recent.
b. Notice the continuous chain of overlapping life spans of Adam, Methuselah, Shem, and Abraham or Isaac.
c. Enoch’s time on earth was cut short, but not by death. (See Hebrews 11:5.)
Genesis 5 says that each of the first 9 patriarchs had “other sons and daughters” besides the son in the patriarchal line. In other words, each family had at least 5 children: 3 sons and 2 daughters. Statistically, all 9 families would probably have at least 3 sons and 2 daughters if each family had 10 or more children. (Conversely, all 9 families would probably not have had 3 sons and 2 daughters if each family had 9 children or less.) If 10 or more children per family were typical before the flood, and plagues, famines, and wars were no more common than in the last several thousand years, then the world’s population at the time of the flood would have exceeded today’s population of 6 billion people.
If during the 351 years between the flood and Abraham’s birth, people reached sexual maturity at 30 years and couples averaged only 8 children (who also averaged 8 children), the world’s population could have reached 80 million people.""
“We all fell down from the milky way, hanging around here for the judgement day, heaven only knows who’s in command.”- Jimmy Buffet
D wiltshire

ThiChi,
Mister ThiChi the master of knowing what people think! [8>]
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
D wiltshire

Theistic evolutionists often raise two objections to the chronological information in Genesis.
PURE CRAP!
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

how long has man lived on the earth????

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