What do you think?

by therevealer 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • therevealer
    therevealer

    Silly stuff I have wondered in the past

    Genesis 1:27 makes it sound like god created man separately and/or first.

    Then in 2:7 it sounds like he created adam first on his own.

    In 2:18-22 it would seem to corroborate the adam first and eve second as a separate act. Plus in 2:18-22 it seems to infer in 2:18 that it was a separate notion on gods part that adam would be better off or happier with a helper or mate. Also in 2:20-22 it would seem that god didn't realize from the beginning that creating adam on his own without a mate was not the best decision. It is almost like god only caught on after adam's efforts in meeting and naming the animals seemed to leave/create a void that he decided on the helper/complement idea. Also if god had the notion of man filling the earth and spreading the garden earth wide how did he envision that process without a mate for adam.

    (Genesis1:27) . . .And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them.

    (Genesis2:7)7 And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul. . .

    (Genesis2:18-22) . . .And Jehovah God went on to say: "It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him." 19 Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call it, each living soul, that was its name. 20 So the man was calling the names of all the domestic animals and of the flying creatures of the heavens and of every wild beast of the field, but for man there was found no helper as a complement of him. 21 Hence Jehovah God had a deep sleep fall upon the man and, while he was sleeping, he took one of his ribs and then closed up the flesh over its place. 22 And Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and to bring her to the man.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    I wouldn't call it silly stuff.

    It's using that magnificent thought process that is peculiar to us humans.

    Syl

  • therevealer
    therevealer

    thank you for your kind comment snowbird Do you have a thought on it?

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Here is some information I found from the "Christian perspective":

    from http://www.apologeticspress.org/article/1131 :
    THE REAL EXPLANATION

    Are there differences in the inspired narratives of Genesis 1 and 2? Of course there are. But differences do not necessarily imply contradictions, much less multiple authorship. The real question is this: Is there a purpose to these variations? Indeed there is. Furthermore, there are a number of factors that militate against the notion that Genesis 1 and 2 are independent and contradictory accounts of the creation.

    First, careful analysis reveals that there is deliberate purpose in the individuality of these two sections of Scripture. In Genesis 1 there is a broad outline of the events of the creation week, which reaches its climax with the origin of mankind in the very image of God. In Genesis 2 there is the special emphasis upon man, the divine preparation of his home, the formation of a suitable mate, etc. Edward J. Young has a good statement of this matter:

    There are different emphases in the two chapters...but the reason for these is obvious. Chapter 1 continues the narrative of creation until the climax, namely, man made in the image and likeness of God. To prepare the way for the account of the fall, chapter 2 gives certain added details about man’s original condition, which would have been incongruous and out of place in the grand, declarative march of chapter 1 (1960, p. 53).

    This type of procedure was not unknown in the literary methodology of antiquity. Gleason Archer observed that the “technique of recapitulation was widely practiced in ancient Semitic literature. The author would first introduce his account with a short statement summarizing the whole transaction, and then he would follow it up with a more detailed and circumstantial account when dealing with matters of special importance” (1964, p. 118). These respective sections have a different literary motif. Genesis 1 is chronological, revealing the sequential events of the creation week, whereas Genesis 2 is topical, with special concern for man and his environment. [This procedure is not unknown elsewhere in biblical literature. Matthew’s account of the ministry of Christ is more topical, while Mark’s record is more chronological.]

    Second, there is clear evidence that Genesis 2 was never an independent creation account. There are simply too many crucial elements missing for that to have been the case. For instance, there is no mention in Genesis 2 of the creation of the Earth, and there is no reference to the oceans or fish. There is no allusion to the Sun, Moon, and stars, etc. Archer has pointed out that there is not an origins record in the entire literature collection of the ancient Near East that omits discussing the creation of the Sun, Moon, seas, etc. (1982, p. 69). Obviously, Genesis 2 is a sequel to chapter 1. The latter presupposes the former and is built upon it.

    Even Howard Johnston, who was (at least in part) sympathetic to the Documentary Hypothesis, conceded:

    The initial chapter [Genesis 1] gives a general account of the creation. The second chapter is generally declared by critics to be a second account of the creation, but, considered in the light of the general plan, that is not an accurate statement. Evidently the purpose of this chapter is to show that out of all the creation we have especially to do with man. Therefore only so much of the general account is repeated as is involved in a more detailed statement concerning the creation of man. There is a marked difference of style in the two accounts, but the record is consistent with the plan to narrow down the story to man (1902, p. 90).

    The following summary statement by Kenneth Kitchen is worthy of notice:

    It is often claimed that Genesis 1 and 2 contain two different creation-narratives. In point of fact, however, the strictly complementary nature of the “two” accounts is plain enough: Genesis 1 mentions the creation of man as the last of a series, and without any details, whereas in Genesis 2 man is the centre of interest and more specific details are given about him and his setting. There is no incompatible duplication here at all. Failure to recognize the complementary nature of the subject-distinction between a skeleton outline of all creation on the one hand, and the concentration in detail on man and his immediate environment on the other, borders on obscurantism (1966, pp. 116-117, emp. in orig.).

    -Sab

  • clearpoison
    clearpoison

    If Eve would have been there prior naming all the animals and stuff, do you really think Adam would have had much saying. This was wisdom from God, otherwise we wouldn't have any names for animals and plants until this day.

    CP

  • therevealer
    therevealer

    Oh, that is nasty clearpoison. Just nasty LOL

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    thank you for your kind comment snowbird Do you have a thought on it?

    You're welcome.

    Yes, I do have a thought on your observations.

    I've wondered about those accounts myself, and have turned to the Book of Jasher to help flesh out some of the more puzzling stuff.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/1.htm

    The Bible references the Book of Jasher in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18.

    Syl

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Some view Genesis 1 and 2 as two seperate stories about the creation of Man from two seperate sources ( The Elohist wroter and the Yahwist writer) that the writer(s) of Genesis put togther when the oral traditions were put down on paper.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    I've wondered about those accounts myself, and have turned to the Book of Jasher to help flesh out some of the more puzzling stuff.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/1.htm
    The Bible references the Book of Jasher in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18.
    Syl

    OK, Sylvia - so what does the book of Jasher say really happened?

    And, how do you know you have the real book of Jasher?

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    OK, Sylvia - so what does the book of Jasher say really happened?

    Basically the same thing as the Bible, but the account is seamless.

    Read the link.

    And, how do you know you have the real book of Jasher?

    I don't; I'm just fascinated with history and all things Jewish.

    Syl

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