Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?

by InterestedOne 39 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    Try near flunking something if you don't cite the resource.

    I find it's the first clue that Bethel is misquoting something.

    Try "googling" the quote, and you might just find the original article to read. I've done that, and found Bethel misquoted. Then, go over it with the study conductor. He's say, "It's a bad author or a typo"...but, when you show them alot of misquotes...you'll get counseled for soemthing (pehaps different) and labelled a goat. I think back a while ago - perhaps decades - there was a WT article about not having to research the Society's quality food (i.e. literature) ......

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    It really depends, dear IO (peace to you!). In a less formal/informal situation (for example, this forum or other situations where the author isn't really intending a bona fide publishing), it may not be normal or necessary since many don't understand the basics of plagerism, libel, and such... or are looking for indications of such. In these situtations, however, one really should be ready to PROVIDE their source if ever challenged to do so. One should also try to include things like quotation marks, when appropriate, so it is known that the thoughts/words aren't really his/her own.

    In a formal setting (for example, a formally published essay, article, or book, a contracted/assigned or formal paper/report or, as stated above, always in academia, etc.)... it is not only normal or appropriate... but is expected and is supposed to be absolutely mandatory (have you noticed, that virtually every other "news" magazine or similar periodical prints retractions of errors that appear them... but NEVER do you see such in a WT/AW?. I digress...).

    The WT is a formal publication. So why do they write the way they do? Many reasons, most of which were touched upon above, including, perhaps a lack of formal education in the Writing Department (though I'm not so sure). Most often, it is so that they can mislead and continue to push their false teachings, which they do by MISQUOTING sources... which they do left and right! One very good example of this is that for YEARS they quoted from the "McClintock's and Strong's Cyclopedia" (well, they still do since they often recycle information). Many may not know this, but this was a primary source of "Biblical information" for them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClintock_and_Strong's_Cyclopaedia

    It is "the largest theological or Biblical encyclopedia ever undertaken by American editors" and has been considered as having "Thorough coverage of the entire field of Biblical and religious knowledge." Apparently, the old WTBTS leaders thought so... to a greater or lesser extent. Truth be told, it may be the very "tool" Russell and others used to get their little publishing company off the ground. Again, I digress.

    Anyway, this was not a readily had source for the rank and file because, as all encyclopedia's used to be (during the Pre-Internet Era), they were VERY expensive. We (my husband, actually) just happen to have a full set, though (he found it in a used book store, for a "steal"). And in reviewing it (which we often do, me for amusement, because it was written in the 19th century) we've found two things:

    First, the WTBTS often (and I mean often) seriously misquoted/misquotes the references contained in it; and, as I said, it was written in the 19th century and, therefore, its references are often... well, let's just say a whole lot of things "no longer apply" ("are archaic" would be entirely inaccurate as some of the information is quite accurate, appropriate and reliable).

    Anyway, reading it is an eye opener: you can almost "see" the minds of the founders of the WTBTS churning away... as they contemplate establishing a publishing corporation... for which they would sell shares... using "true religion" as the draw and a great deal of info from the M&S Cyclopedia in the Prospectus. Anyone would have fallen for it, back then.

    I hope this helps and, again, bid you peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

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  • VM44
    VM44

    Keep in mind that The Watchtower is publishing propaganda, and what they want to do is to shape the thinking of the readers.

    The Watchtower wants the reader to be left with a certain impression after they finish reading an article. This impression will still be with the reader long after they have forgotten the article and any references given in the article.

    The Watchtower does not need to be specific and give references in the articles it publishes. It is not required for its purpose of influencing the JWs to think the way that The Watchtower wants them to think.

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse
    It is normal when you have something to hide.

  • DagothUr
    DagothUr

    I remeber they used to quote from time to time from Hobbe's "Leviathan". I remember one quote was in the red Apocalypse book and another was in one of the study Watchtowers, the one that had a picture of Isaac Newton in it. They never mentioned the name of the author, nor the work. They just said "a famous thinker". Their last brochures on creation and the book about the Creation vs. Evolution are monuments of ignorance and misquotation. It's a new trend in the JW literature, I think. Their purpose: to boldly go dumber and dumber, where no one has gone before!

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    Although, as I am writing, I do remember in the begining of the Babylon book, the section about how Nimrod, and Marduk and the cross were all related that they quoted generously bible scholars by name.

    FWIW Alexander Hislop was not a Bible scholar and they used to sell his book at the Kingdom Hall literature desk. (That's where I got my copy)

  • InterestedOne
    InterestedOne
    Although, as I am writing, I do remember in the begining of the Babylon book, the section about how Nimrod, and Marduk and the cross were all related that they quoted generously bible scholars by name.

    I have seen them provide varying degrees of source information. Sometimes it is just the name. Sometimes it is the name and the title. Even sometimes, they give a full reference with page #'s. However, it seems very selective to me. Sometimes it's just "one writer says ..." and other times it is a full reference. I don't understand why they don't provide the full reference every time. Afterall, they refer to their magazine as a "journal." As for the "popular magazines" argument, I am trying to think off the top of my head if I have ever seen even a popular magazine provide a quote attributed to "one writer" or "one famous thinker" etc. Then again, I haven't read a popular magazine in a long time. I was just curious if the WT writers & readers actually think their quoting style is normal.

  • JRK
    JRK

    Quoting them almost got me charged with plagiarism in college.

    If you quote a publication that is not quotable, you can get into this situation.

    Works cited are a must in academia.

    JK

  • laverite
    laverite

    Putting something in quotes, without naming your source, allows you to say any old kind of shite you want without any accountability whatsoever. Providing the source of the quote allows the reader to cross-check and verify the original source for accuracy and context.

    It's quite easy to see why not providing sources for quotes is so attractive to the Watchtower Publishing and Real Estate Corp.

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