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61% of Americans OPPOSE Limiting Union Bargaining Power
by blondie 45 Replies latest jw friends
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llbh
Here in Europe the most successful economy is that of West Germany, they enshrine union rights in thier legislation, for them there is a deal to be done between the unions and business; they get it big time. Wal Mart withdrew when they tried to set up there, The Germans welcomed them on condition they recognise the rights of trade union, Wal Mart did not like the idea, so the German bid them good bye.
Also seared in the collective psyche is an aversion to debt, both personal and state.
Interestingly the Germans also invest thier future by making further education available cheaply to all.
See it is not difficult
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sammielee24
f you take 99.5 percent of the people out there (there are a slim few exceptions) and compare their wages to those in other countries for the same jobs, the american worker is paid 30% to 80% more than the average. The real problem is that the US wages cannot compete with globalization.
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Can't compare the two without comparing the cost of living, social programs, tax structures etc.
In the USA you have fewer holidays and vacation time than most all other industrialized countries and this has to be factored in. People often pay for their own healthcare that has to be factored in. You have fewer social programs than many other countries. You work longer.
All of that has to be included.
According to various job sites, an accounts payable clerk can be paid $12/hr in Oklahoma; $14.50/hr in the UK; $15.00 in Ireland and so on. Those places that have national healthcare might be taxed at a higher rate but the out of pocket expense for the service in the USA often outweighs those additional taxes. Ditto vacation time. In some countries that also pay that $14/hr - those workers have 2-4 weeks vacation, more stat holidays and national healthcare. Some have paid child care. Many have mass transit so vehicle transportation is not the norm. The standard of living is not less.
Now - if you want to compare to some places in India, China, Africa - then fine.
That doesn't mean that the workers in the USA are paid too much - it means the workers in the developing countries are paid too little.
It's all how you decide to look at it.
sammies
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darthfader
Sammie, the US consumer makes the decision eveytime they purchase a product made in china over products made in the USA based on the final sales price. They are the ones making that decision and they are the only ones who can change it.
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beksbks
Darth do you know how hard it is to find made in America? It did not start there. Jobs were allowed to leave this country before we stopped buying American. It's like the old company store. The biggest employer in the country is now WalMart, and most of America can no longer afford to shop anywhere but WalMart. Don't tell me it was the consumer that caused this turn. And what the heck ever happened to non chain stores? I have few choices for basics where I live. All of them are huge mega corps. They have driven out the little guys and thier locally/quality made products. We have a huge trade issue. Other countries put restrictions on stuff coming in that they make. We have a huge trade deficit. We haven't had a surplus in like 40 years.
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villabolo
Darthfader:
"Sammie, the US consumer makes the decision eveytime they purchase a product made in china over products made in the USA based on the final sales price. They are the ones making that decision and they are the only ones who can change it."
Drink up!
Villabolo
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BurnTheShips
61% of Americans OPPOSE Limiting Union Bargaining Power
Yet from the same poll:
So it is simple math. We either cut services and/or compensation, or we raise taxes, or some combination of all three.
Or we go bankrupt.
By far, the most unpopular thing is tax hikes.
As reality continues to messily hit the fan, something will continue it give. And if this poll is any guide, it will be services or compensation, not tax rates.
BTS
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beksbks
By far, the most unpopular thing is tax hikes.
Not tax hikes on the wealthy.
Not that this has anything to do with state budgets. It's all politics, and you know it. In Wisconsin the Unions made over a million in concessions before Walker even got in. They've conceded to every supposed request since. That's not the goal here. The goal is to screw the worker unions and sell off the state utilities to the Kochs. Oh and demolish the only worthy competitor to corporate campaign contributions.
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r51785
I don't think we need unions anymore. We can count on Corporate America, Wall Street, and the Republicans to always put the well being of the American worker ahead of profits.
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