Scriptural Separation

by Earnest 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    At the meeting this evening the CO discussed the scriptural basis for separation between husband and wife. He said there were three grounds for separation :
    1. The man refuses to support his family in a material way. 1 Timothy 5:8
    2. The physical life and health of one is endangered by the other.
    3. The spiritual life and health of one is endangered by the other.

    I subsequently questioned him if he believed these could be grounds for either the husband or the wife and he confirmed that for #2 and #3. The point was made that this is not encouraging separation but emphasizing that it should not be done lightly or on flimsy grounds.

    I have always understood from Paul (1 Corinthians 7:10) that the husband should not separate from his wife. I have not really thought whether this would still apply if his life were endangered and am quite sure I would not hang around if I found ant poison in the sugar. But this seems to me to be a more relaxed policy on sticking to the troth. Any thoughts ?

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

  • Solace
    Solace

    The teaching has changed quite a bit since I was young. I grew up with no father because in the 70s, when my father left us, The W.T.S at the time taught that in order to be scriptually free to remarry my J.W. mother would have to prove adultry and that abandonment was not enough. She spent 10 years of our lives searching for him, hiring a privet investegator just to proove that he had slept with someone else so we could get on with our lives. I now understand as you also pointed out that J.W.s can divorce for much lesser reasons nowadays. I dont know if my mother knows this, and if she remained single for no reason for 10 years. She may but is just in denile about the whole thing. With the ever changing doctrines its hard to find consistancy in anything. You will also notice that most of the changes only benifit the W.T.S. The 3rd reason you mentioned being able to seperate if your mate doesnt support your being a J.W. How awfully clever of them to throw that one in. This is just another example of how the W.T.S is controlling peoples lives where they have no buisness doing so. They would do just about anything to increase the size of their organization. That would mean more $ for them.

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Heaven,

    In fairness I should point out that the talk was about separation rather than divorce. I understand that the only grounds for scriptural divorce are still limited to adultery, although the meaning of adultery has been extended to include any sexual relations outside the marriage and does not only refer to heterosexual vaginal sex.

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

  • sadiejive
    sadiejive

    Hi Earnest,

    I have always felt that if someone's life is in danger from a spouse then that would be grounds to separate although I don't believe there is any scripture to support that belief. Divorce? I don't know...scripturally speaking, I guess not, as I agree that the only scriptural basis for divorce is adultery.

    Also, in all the years that I attended a "church", prior to meeting JWs, I had never ever heard of scriptural basis' for leaving a spouse...NEVER. It wasn't until I studied with the witnesses that I heard of this. During the meeting, did they give the "scriptures" for these "scriptural" basis'? Just curious.

    sadie

  • Solace
    Solace

    O.K. so,,,,,,,
    basically you can seperate from someone but not divorce unless they commit adultry. Makes sense, I would think if you are seperate from someone long enough they will eventually commit adultry and then you will have your grounds. Anyway, I think circumstances should decide as in my mothers situation. I still believe this is another instance where the organization should not involve themselves in peoples lives.
    As far as what type of sex is adultry, The fact that they are talking about it to that extent is just plain wierd. Like its any of their buisness. Do people honestly go into detail. Does that seem normal to you? Its not like they are their lawyers or anything. To me its just another example of how much control the Org. has over its members. Creepy...

  • Solace
  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Heaven,

    You make a good point about why be specific about what type of sex is adultery. I remember the first I heard of this was some years ago in a discussion of the Greek term used and I guess if it meant something different to what we understand then it is best to know.

    I checked up and find it was an article in the WT 12/15 1972...was it really so long ago! Anyway, here is the article for what it is worth :

    Why, according to Matthew's accounts, did Jesus use two different words-"fornication" and "adultery"-in discussing the proper grounds for divorce? Is not the only ground for Scriptural divorce "adultery," as the term is generally understood?-U.S.A.

    At Matthew 5:32 Jesus' words are: "However, I say to you that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication [Greek, por·nei'a], makes her a subject for adultery [Greek, moi·khei'a], and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Similarly, at Matthew 19:9 we read: "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication [por·nei'a], and marries another commits adultery [moi·khei'a]."

    The account, therefore, does use two distinct words. Let us first see what they mean and then consider the significance of their use.

    Moi·khei'a, one of the terms used in Matthew's account, is properly translated "adultery." The English word "adultery" comes from the Latin adulterare, which means, basically, "to alter" and, by extension, "to corrupt or make impure, as by the addition of a foreign or a baser substance." Thus we speak of 'adulterating' food, making it impure by adding foreign substances. A marriage is 'adulterated' when one of the parties defiles the marital relationship by having relations with someone outside that relationship. This idea of adulterating or corrupting, and of unfaithfulness to a sacred relationship, is also inherent in the Greek term moi·khei'a. Therefore, both in Greek and in English, the focus is on the effect illicit sexual relations have on the marriage relationship, the adulterous mate being guilty of introducing someone else into that relationship, corrupting the union that should include just the husband and wife.

    What of the other term used? "Fornication" focuses attention, not on the effect sexual immorality may have on a marital relationship, but on the nature or quality of the sexual activity itself. This is true, not only of the English word "fornication," but also of the Greek word, por·nei'a, used in Matthew's account. Our interest, of course, is primarily in the Greek term used by the Gospel writer. For, no matter what the word "fornication" may commonly be understood to mean by English-speaking people, it is what the word used in the Bible meant to the writer and the people at that time that really counts and is decisive.

    When "fornication" is mentioned today, people commonly think of sexual relations between members of the opposite sex, relations carried on outside marriage yet consisting of intercourse in the 'ordinary' or natural way. So, many have understood that, when Jesus said that "fornication [por·nei'a]" was the only ground for divorce, he referred only to intercourse in the ordinary or natural way between a wife and a man not her husband, or, by extension, between a husband and a woman not his wife. But is that the case? Does por·nei'a, the word used in Matthew's account, refer only to such natural sexual relations? Or did it include all forms of immoral sexual relations, including those between individuals of the same sex and also perverted forms of sexual relations between members of the opposite sex? Just what did por·nei'a mean to people in the first century when Jesus was on earth? And does a sincere and careful investigation of this meaning call for a reappraisal of our understanding as to what the Scriptural ground for divorce is?

    A thorough study of the matter shows that por·nei'a refers to all forms of immoral sexual relations. It is a broad term, somewhat like the word "pornography," which is drawn from por·nei'a or the related verb por·neu'o. Lexicons of the Greek language clearly show this to be so.

    They show that por·nei'a comes from a root word meaning "to sell," and it describes sex relations that are licentious and not restrained (as by the restraint of adherence to marriage bonds). Thus, of the use of the word in Bible times, Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament states that por·nei'a described "illicit sexual intercourse in general." Moulton and Milligan's The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament says it is "unlawful sexual intercourse generally." The sixth volume of the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says that por·nei'a can come to mean "'sexual intercourse' in gen[eral] without more precise definition."

    It is because of its being a broad term (broader in its scope than the word "fornication" is in the minds of many English-speaking people) that many Bible translators use expressions such as "gross immorality," "sexual immorality," "sexual sins," or similar, when translating por·nei'a.

    Does this mean that unnatural and perverted sexual relations such as those engaged in by homosexuals are included in the meaning of this term used by the apostle in recording Jesus' words? Yes, that is the case. This can be seen by the way Jesus' half brother Jude used por·nei'a when referring to the unnatural sex acts of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Jude 7) Concerning the use of por·nei'a by Greek-speaking Jews around the start of the Common Era, the sixth volume of the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says: "[por·nei'a] can also be 'unnatural vice,' . . . sodomy."

    What, then, is the significance of the Bible's use of these terms and what does it reveal as to the valid Biblical grounds for divorce? It shows that any married person who goes outside the marriage bond and engages in immoral sexual relations, whether with someone of the opposite sex or someone of the same sex, whether natural or unnatural and perverted, is guilty of committing por·nei'a or "fornication" in the Bible sense. Such sexual relations do not refer to minor indiscretions a person might commit, as by a kiss or caress or embrace, but refer to immoral use of the genital organs in some form of intercourse, natural or unnatural.

    We find principles in the Law covenant in support of this broadened viewpoint. It is clear that under that Law marriages were dissolved when a mate committed serious sexual sins, including unnatural ones, inasmuch as such mate was put to death according to God's own instructions.-Compare Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:22, 23, 29; 20:10-16; Deuteronomy 22:22; as well as the words of the Christian apostle at Romans 1:24-27, 32.

    Taking Jesus' words for what they mean, therefore, when a mate is guilty of such serious sexual immorality the innocent mate may Scripturally divorce such a one, if he or she so desires. One who obtains a divorce on such Scriptural grounds is also Scripturally free to remarry, not thereby being subject to a charge of adultery.

    This clearly marks a correction in the view expressed on previous occasions in the columns of this magazine, but faithful adherence to what the Scriptures actually say requires it. There is much more that can be considered on the matter and for that reason it will be discussed more completely in a coming issue of this magazine.

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

  • Solace
    Solace

    Thanks,
    Enlightening!
    Wow, I was 1 year old when that was printed! I would hope that most people already know that sex is sex regardless of what type, well exept for our ex president... And I guess since the society does discourage education, some people may need it spelled out for them. So where does it say how they (the governing body) has a right to judge or make these decisions involving others? Doesnt the bible say that it is not our place to judge? Oh, yea, the "Gods only channel" thing. So what if it constantly changes, huh? I did see the word pornia in a more recent article describing pornography and the internet. I imagine the society is really trying to keep people off line knowing that sites like these are popping up everywhere. I am glad they are relaxing the rules for whatever reason, on separation. Now if they would just do the same with the blood issue I might sleep better at night.

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    hi sadie

    You asked "did they give the 'scriptures' for these 'scriptural' basis"? I didn't take notes at the time and have delayed replying as I was hoping to hear the talk again. I now realise the material came from an article in the Awake! of February 8, 2002, page 10 :

    Divorce and Separation

    God, the Originator of marriage, designed it to be a permanent union. But is there any Scriptural reason for a person to divorce his or her mate-and one that would allow for the possibility of remarrying? Jesus addressed this matter by declaring: "I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery." (Matthew 19:9) Sexual infidelity by a mate is the only ground for a divorce that will allow the innocent mate to remarry.

    In addition, the Bible's words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16, while encouraging marriage mates to stay together, allow for separation. Some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage, feel they have no choice but to separate. What can be acceptable Scriptural grounds for such a step?

    One is willful nonsupport. When getting married, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and children. The man who willfully fails to provide the material necessities of life "has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible.

    Another is extreme physical abuse. So then, if a mate physically abuses his wife, the victim may separate. (Galations 5:19-21; Titus 1:7) "Anyone loving violence [God's] soul certainly hates." - Psalm 11:5.

    Another ground for separation is the absolute endangerment of a believer's spirituality-one's relationship with God. When a mate's opposition, perhaps including physical restraint, has made it impossible to pursue true worship and has imperiled the believer's spirituality, then some believers have found it necessary to separate.-Matthew 22:37; Acts 5:27-32.

    However, if divorce is pursued under such circumstances, one would not be free to enter a new marriage. According to the Bible, the only legitimate ground for divorce that permits remarriage is adultery or "fornication".-Matthew 5:32.

    The Watchtower of November 1, 1988 expanded on these three bases for scriptural separation :

    Paul’s words at 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 encourage marriage mates to stay together. Yet, some, after trying very hard to preserve their marriage relationship, have finally decided that, in all conscience, they have no choice but to separate. What may be the grounds for such a step?

    Willful nonsupport is one basis for separation. When entering wedlock, a husband assumes the responsibility of providing for his wife and any children they may have. The man who does not provide for members of his household “has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.” (1 Timothy 5:8) So separation is possible if there is willful nonsupport. Of course, appointed elders should give careful consideration to an accusation that a Christian is refusing to support his wife and family. Stubborn refusal to support one’s family may result in disfellowshipping.

    Extreme physical abuse is another basis for separation. Suppose an unbelieving mate often gets drunk, becomes enraged, and causes the believer physical harm. (Proverbs 23:29-35) Through prayer and by displaying the fruitage of Jehovah’s spirit, the believer may be able to prevent such outbursts and make the situation endurable. But if the point is reached where the health and life of the abused mate actually are in jeopardy, separation would be allowable Scripturally. Again, congregation elders should look into charges of physical abuse when two Christians are involved in the troubled marriage, and disfellowshipping action may have to be taken.—Compare Galatians 5:19-21; Titus 1:7.

    Absolute endangerment of spirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God’s spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate’s opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer’s spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul’s counsel about taking a believer to court.—1 Corinthians 6:1-8.

    If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.—Hebrews 4:13.

    In Divided Households

    Being reasonable aids in resolving marital problems between Christian mates. (Philippians 4:5) But reasonableness is also important if peace is threatened in a religiously divided household. If an unbelieving husband tries to prevent his Christian wife from serving Jehovah, she may endeavor to reason with him, tactfully pointing out that she accords him religious freedom and she should logically receive similar treatment. (Matthew 7:12) Though she is to be in relative subjection to her unbelieving husband, God’s will must be done where there is a conflict. (1 Corinthians 11:3; Acts 5:29) Surely, attending Christian meetings three times a week is not excessive. But the believing wife may find it wise to be at home on other evenings and to schedule much of her field ministry during hours when her husband is working and the children are in school. With reasonableness and good planning, she need not “give up in doing what is fine.”—Galatians 6:9.

    Reasonableness extends to other matters too. For example, a person has a right to practice a certain religion. But it would be reasonable and wise for a Christian wife not to place her Bibles and Bible study aids where a strongly opposed husband might object. Conflict may be avoided if such publications are kept among her personal effects and she studies them privately. Of course, she must not compromise on righteous principles.—Matthew 10:16.

    If disruption of domestic peace centers on religious instruction of the children, the believing wife can tactfully arrange to have them accompany her to meetings and in the field ministry. But if the unbelieving husband and father prevents this, she can teach the children Bible principles so that when they grow up and leave home, they are likely to pursue true worship. If the husband is the believer, as the head of the household, he has the Scriptural obligation to raise his children as Christians. So he should study the Bible with them, take them to meetings, and teach them in the field ministry. (Ephesians 6:4) Naturally, he should be kind, loving, and reasonable in dealing with his unbelieving wife.

    Hope this helps.

    Earnest

    "Beware the Jubjub bird and shun the frumious Bandersnatch!" - Rev. Charles Dodgson

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    I have no problem with separating for #1 & #2, but the experience of many is that JWs -- with the encouragement of elders and the Society -- often take #3 way too far. Often they will use this rule to allow a separation (and of course, a divorce) if a JW mate decides that they dislike the religious or other activities of the other mate enough. We've seen many stories on this board and in private conversation where a mate who was a JW but comes to disagree with the Society is divorced by the JW mate -- all with the explicit agreement of the body of elders. Often, elders will give advice on how to go about doing this.

    I know perfectly well how this happens, because my JW wife threatened divorce on several occasions merely because I disagreed with the Society about a number of things. I asked her what the scriptural support for that threat was, and of course, she had none. I never attempted to prevent her from pursuing her religion in any way. I simply expressed disagreement with WTS teachings. This woman would never have moved an eyelid in this direction without explicit direction from the elders. Right now, I know of four cases in the Portland, Oregon area where JW women have divorced their husbands simply because they were disfellowshipped for disagreeing with the Society.

    In this, the Watchtower Society and its agents are reprehensible before the God they claim to worship for deliberately breaking up families. These men are gross hypocrites, in part because they actually usurp the God-given principle of headship in the family.

    AlanF

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