Typical view of the Watchtower's idea of "Charity"

by Dogpatch 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    One of the comments on my article at:

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    Author: burned by the WT
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    Comment:
    I worked with a JW on my jobsite. At the time I really didn't know much about them. I thought they were just some roge Batist group. When he (the JW)got hurt, I took up a collection for him. I raised over $800.00. His fellow workers presented it to him,and to their discust, he told them that he couldn't keep the money that we raised for him and his family; but..he had to give it to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I took alot of flack for that from the other workers on my site who I talked into giving our money to. I personally gave $60.00 of my own money in which I thought was going to him. The whole time, another Witness on the jobsite never gave a cent. When this Witness found out that the victom WAS a JW, I will never forget what he said, he said, "Well, if I had of known it was a fellow Bro, I too would have gave."

    I thought that I was going to be sick. _____________________ Now THAT is brainwashing :-)) Randy

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    I have never heard of this policy does anyone have a WT reference?

    -Sab

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    I don't believe this is a WT policy at all. I don't know what actually happened--if the story is true. Perhaps it is true and this Witness was nuts. But there is no such policy.

  • clarity
    clarity

    Maybe the'brother' was a bethelite - thought I saw a document that bethelites sign, that states a ny money they have over and above their expenses goes to headquarters.

    c

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Maybe the'brother' was a bethelite - thought I saw a document that bethelites sign, that states any money they have over and above their expenses goes to headquarters.

    Possible, but Bethelites are not allowed to work jobs outside those assigned by Bethel. This guy said he worked with a JW. But I also know that you can give a Bethelite money for his own use...so I'm not sure about this either.

  • TheJigsUp
    TheJigsUp

    NO SUCH POLICY?! ok i was in a store with my father, an elder. on the way out there was a down syndrome young man at the door asking for money. i said, 'i dont give to charity' my reasoning? because almost nothing of that money you give goes to those in need... if you want to give.. then give to individuals, not 'charitable organisations' as administrators of charitable organisations drive around in their pick up trucks while my t shirt i gave never even made it to anyone needing it, it got SOLD to fund administrative fees.

    what did my dad say?

    i already give to charity...

    for an unequivecal fact he only gives to the WTBTS, but he didnt say this to the young man at the door..

    after i said what i said ' i dont give to charitys,' i felt guilty for not explaining my reasons. but thats what my father said.

    and he felt justified in what he said. genuinely..

    so yeh i would say it is a policy.

    of course like the rest, not much of a written one, but then that might 'dertact'

    but yessiree that sounds just about right to me

    oh just as a side note that i take pleasure in... although my father vehemently believes in NOT giving to any 'charity' except the WTBTS. which i add is not unspoken by him..

    he still takes his old stuff down to the second hand shops around town, and gives it to them to 'sell towards their charity'

    how do you like that?!

    i would like to take this opportunity to wink, and say that throughout the indoctrination, the heart can still overpower the shit subconsciously.

    i wouldnt tell him about this, because he probably wouldnt do it if he was to see the conflict in interest.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    This wasn't about giving to charity It was about accepting charity. Look, I hate the WT. But there is no such policy. However, whe it comes to giving to charity, yes that gets complicated. You hve to make sure it's not babylon the great, red cross, united way---most JW's just don't give. They believe it goes to better use at the WT.

  • ssn587
    ssn587

    goes to better use like paying for pedophile cases lost by the WTBTS, sure that is a good charity. BS

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    I used to worry about charities being unsupported by the WTBS...I remember talking to an elder about it and he referred me to an article/QFR, I cant remember, which said that the society chose charities to donate to and support from the donations to the WWW. From then on I was encouraged to say that I already 'gave' to charities on that basis.

    Now I wonder if it was in any way true?

    Loz x

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Donation Arrangement Fraud

    Written by Rolando Rodriguez
    Wednesday, 24 April 1996 00:00

    As was pointed out in the article, The Watchtower Way of Laundering Money, their current donation arrangement is simply a gimmick to avoid paying sales tax on items sold in the United States and a few other countries where this arrangement has been utilized.

    Apparently, their recent significant drop in income, coupled with the failure of rank-and-file Witnesses to donate funds sufficient to their liking for materials received "free" has caused the Watchtower to make the following statement in the November 1996 issue (p.3) of their in-house bulletin entitled Our Kingdom Ministry:

    Share With Others According to Their Needs

    Jehovah makes provision to fill our spiritual needs through the faithful "slave". (Matt 24:45-47) Many of these provisions are in the form of books, Bibles, bound volumes, videos, audiocassette recordings, and computer disks for Bible research. What Jehovah supplies is always sufficient without being wasteful. He expects us to share with one another, making sure that all benefit equally. All such provisions are produced at tremendous financial cost. These expenses are cared for by the worldwide brotherhood. This is especially true since the organization instituted the arrangement to distribute literature without charge, depending entirely on voluntary donations to cover the expense. Additionally, many branches obtain these provisions from the Society at a cost that enables the brothers to have what they need for meetings and field activity even though they have very limited material resources.

    How we can help. We can respond to Paul's admonition to share with others "according to their needs." (Rom 12:13) When we make financial contributions toward the worldwide work, we are directly sharing what we have with our brothers around the world. With this in mind, some have decided to set aside an amount to contribute to the worldwide work each month, just as they do for Kingdom Hall expenses. They recognize that these funds are used not only for literature production but for all facets of the work as well. Imagine the great benefit our worldwide brotherhood would experience if more would share in this way on a regular basis.

    Further, we can share with them by always being conservative when requesting items that are readily available to us. Ordering only what we actually need allows our brothers elsewhere to receive the spiritual provisions that they also need to keep strong and to advance the preaching of the good news in their part of the world.-Heb.13:16.

    We should especially bear this in mind when we request items that are produced at considerable expense to the Society. These include videos, CD-ROMs, large reference books, bound volumes and audiocassette subscriptions. Rather than requesting one item for each member of the household, could the entire family get along with just one? If we limit what we take for ourselves, it will allow others to obtain the same good things that we enjoy. -Phil. 2:4. The cost of literature that we place in the field may be offset in part by donations to the Society's worldwide work offered by us at the Kingdom Hall and by interested ones who accept it. However, when it comes to literature items we request for our personal use, including songbooks, Yearbooks, deluxe Bibles, and so forth, we cannot expect outsiders to care for our needs. Jehovah's dedicated servants are the primary source of this financial support. With that in mind, many publishers estimate what these items might cost if commercially produced and then they contribute accordingly. For example, a deluxe gold-edged Bible can easily cost $20 or more, a reference book may be $40 and up, a full-color wall calendar may sell for at least $5, an encyclopedia on CD-ROM costs from $50 to $100 or higher, music compact discs commonly cost close to $20 and some videos are often sold for much more. A failure to contribute enough to cover costs will ultimately restrict what the organization may otherwise be able to accomplish in furthering the worldwide work.

    Jesus declared that his true disciple would be clearly identified by their love for one another. (John 13:34, 35) Our generosity in giving materially and our unselfishness in sharing with other according to their needs are surely fine ways to prove ourselves to be genuine Christians.

    Comment:

    It is interesting how they have even "raised the price" of a number of items! They appear be suggesting a donation of $50-100 for the CD-ROM instead of $25 to $50, and $40 for reference works such as Insight on the Scriptures. Since their costs of producing CD-ROMs could not exceed two dollars each (probably closer to $1), one wonders who they are trying to deceive.

    One investigator sent in a donation to the Watchtower "equivalent to that once specified" for some literature, just to see what would happen. A letter, and an additional card was sent back. The letter was a "thank you" letter acknowledging a donation, but containing no hint as to any literature involved. But the card sent with it stated, "We are pleased to inform you that your request for Bible literature has been honored and will be mailed seperately." (See laundering.) Using this technique, the WT feels they are going to avoid legal complications. Time will tell as to whether the State of California decides to reopen the case with regards to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. The following letter(s) illustrate the outworking of this policy. Here is the letter:

    Dear Randy:

    I thought I'd tell you of an experience some years ago when I served as an elder in Jersey City, New Jersey, during the first month of the change from selling books to the "Voluntary Donation" system. It seemed everyone one and their mothers decided that now was a good time to stock their libraries. Pioneers were now doubling up on their magazines for service. Witnesses who rarely bought anything, were now ordering, the New World Translation on Tapes [which, when price sold for over $100.00] everything and anything was being ordered. I was in charge of the literature counter. The invoices included in the orders were now dollarless. Three months later, the elders received a letter from the Society. It basically stated that they [the Society] noticed an enormous increase in literature orders. That the congregation had made purchases of some $3,000.00 and our donations were only somehere around $500.00. They told us we [the congregation] owed the Society $2,300.00. I'm thinking to myself..."hey wait a minute, isn't the literature "FREE" on voluntary donations?" Obviously not! The Society had it all planned out. In the envelope was another letter, addressed to the congregation. That letter basically told of the great work the Society was doing and how support was needed.

    In view of that I had announced that we [the congregation] were donating to the Society from the congregation fund $2,500.00 for the World Wide Work.

    Clever of them? The Society still got their money. I wonder how many congregations got that letter? Of course only the body of elders knew the truth for sure, the rest of the friends were left to believe we were so loving and generous by supporting the Society with such a big donation. Mind you no mention of the excess literature order was made.

    How can they sleep at nights? It was situations like these that opened my mind to the true nature of the Society. They are a publishing house...we are their salesmen...what was that the Judge said "Advertise, Advertise, Advertise..." Nothing has changed!

    In His Name!

    Rolando Rodriguez

    the address of the congregation:

    Jersey City West Congregation

    582 Bramhall Avenue

    Jersey City,NJ 07304

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