About Therapy/Counseling

by Mad Sweeney 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • Crisis of Conscience
    Crisis of Conscience

    I LOVE therapy!! There, I said it. LOL

    I began going primarily to confront feelings I had regarding physical abuse from my father while growing up. But at the same time, I was facing feelings of burnout in my "service" to Jehovah. I was begining to wake up and so a lot of the ridiculous things in the org that I ignored finally began to bother me and I had to address them.

    These days I find myself much calmer and happier, though I am generally a happy person. My doctor has even pointed that out to me.

    What I really enjoy about therapy is definitely the perspective that is given you. But a therapist DOES NOT solve your problems. Rather, as has been mentioned here, they help you to understand why you feel the way you do and often offer practical suggestions. The rest is up to you. You must be proactive in applying some, if not all, of the suggestions you receive.

    I feel that therapy has, in a large way, contributed to giving me the boldness to make my own decisions rather than continuing living to please men.

    I absolutely encourage those with the resources and opportunities to take advantage of it. And no, you're not crazy for doing it. Give it a chance.

    CoC

  • Voices
    Voices

    Lady Lee:

    "There are some really good self help workbooks that you might want to get. Ideally you use them in conjunction with therapy but sometimes we do what we have to do to progress. Off the top of my head I can think of the Anxiety and Phobia Workbook, and the PTSD Workbook."

    I am working on ...or started on Dialectical Behavioral Workbook. I thank you for the recommendations. I'll look into them, when I have some extra cash to spend. The problems with work book is i get to this certain part where my despair over takes me and it's just sitting there almost mocking me saying 'see? i told you, you can't do anything right, and i told you, you wont change' ... and I don't see any progress. And when I do see progress, it takes only ONE instance where I get the severe attack or situation that spirals out of control into tears, or severe depression etc.. to reinstate that 'See! I told you! you weren't going to make it' .....and of course it wont go away...that thought will continue to torment me. Call it the devil, call it my negative side, call it whatever you want...the TRUTH of the situation becomes embedded into those words... 'see! i told you, look at what just happened...you STILL felt the same way...what PROGRESS have I seen? NOTHING, you STILL feel that as strongly.'

    And saying 'SHUT UP! GO AWAY ...I REBUKE YOU SATAN!' .......doesn't work. The feeling of DESPAIR does not leave, NOR does the depression. Once it happens, it only REINFORCES the failure ...that states your mind cannot be under control and you wont EVER heal.

    Me

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    I've been doing it three years now. The thing is, it took years to find the right therapist. And she is a godsend. She sees me for just what I can pay her. She's a doctor of psychology and a Dominican Catholic nun. You'd never know it to look at her. She's very progressive and it's nice to be able to discuss spirituality with her. She has helped me a great deal to cope with severe, even disabling at times, anxiety.

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    When I comment on the site, I attempt to be as honest as possible.

    For me personally, I find therapy/counselling ineffective. Yes, I have attempted numerous times, actually I am trained in basic therapy myself. Part of my employment is compulsory monthly supervision with a psychologist, due to the high level of challenges. I do this out of fulfilling my work contract rather than personal insight.

    My exwife has her masters in psychology and has gained great benefit from therapy. I have realised, due to my jw background, that I have little trust in others, so need to find my "answers" through personal self analysis and experience. It has been a terrifying, sometimes boring, sometimes profound journey in to the inner. Sometimes, I thought I was crazy, sometimes enlightened (LOL) but ultimately, I am satisfied with myself and am a very functional employee.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Voices

    The problems with work book is i get to this certain part where my despair over takes me and it's just sitting there almost mocking me saying 'see? i told you, you can't do anything right, and i told you, you wont change' ... and I don't see any progress. And when I do see progress, it takes only ONE instance where I get the severe attack or situation that spirals out of control into tears, or severe depression etc.. to reinstate that 'See! I told you! you weren't going to make it' .....and of course it wont go away...that thought will continue to torment me. Call it the devil, call it my negative side, call it whatever you want...the TRUTH of the situation becomes embedded into those words... 'see! i told you, look at what just happened...you STILL felt the same way...what PROGRESS have I seen? NOTHING, you STILL feel that as strongly.'

    And saying 'SHUT UP! GO AWAY ...I REBUKE YOU SATAN!' .......doesn't work. The feeling of DESPAIR does not leave, NOR does the depression. Once it happens, it only REINFORCES the failure ...that states your mind cannot be under control and you wont EVER heal.

    Perfection is a hard animal to train. Like you I tried so hard to be perfect. That is a WT habit that is put in all JWs. No one is perfect and I agree that saying and feeling or knowing are 2 different things. The first big problem with being "perfect" is that we will always fail. And that sets up an unending cycle of failure. Not a great way to live as you have learned. The second problem with "perfect" is that there are only 2 options: "perfect" and "not perfect". I had to find something else that worked for me. This is what it was:

    I'd rather be human than perfect. Being human means I can make mistakes. I can learn from those mistakes. Then instead of making the same mistake over and over I can go off and make other mistakes and learn from those. That is life. We humans make mistakes. But we are totally capable of learning and changing.

    It is very easy to get depressed when you are constantly failing. So we try the same thing again and get the same result. You know that definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result? We have to change what we do. For me that is where being human came in. I could do something different and I often failed. But that was ok. I learned and tried it another way and eventually I learned what worked and what didn't work. So I kept trying different things until I found what worked for me.

    I guess I started looking at life as an number of experiences or lessons. Sometimes the experiemnt works. Great. Move on to the next experiment. Sometimes it doesn't work. Try finding a new way to tackle the problem. And sometimes that problem has to be put aside a while until I have a few other positive results under my belt and I can take the lessons from those to tackle the one I put aside.

    I was seriously depressed from the age of 6 until I was 32. Most of that time i was suicidal but too scared to actually try anything. The last few years got me seriously close though. After leaving my abusive husband and the JWs and getting some therapy I can say I haven't thought of suicide once in the last 25 years. I never would have imagined a life without those thoughts in my head. The depression has gone too. I lived every waking minute feeling like i was not good enough, a failure. Gone. It can happen and I sure was surprised when one day I realized the thoughts and feelings were gone. It took some time. At the beginning there were only moments when it was gone. Then hours and then days. But when I finally realized I hadn't felt like that in a week or a month it was WOW! It almost felt like I lost an old friend except I didn't miss it at all.

    The other thing about therapy that you have probably figured out is that it is more than just the time you spend in that office. It is a change in the way you think and how you act. If you change those 2 things eventually the feelings change as well.

    Just don't give up. A life is a terrible thing to waste and the WTS had us all wasting our lives for a pipe dream. Now you get to have a life.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    AQ couple of things have been nagging at me and I had to come back to say something about them

    sab

    This is going to sound weird, but the reason why it's so effective is because they don't care about your life. They listen to your story, put it together and then go home and eat dinner because they are not emotionally involved or attached. An objective and professional viewpoint is worth a lot.

    A good therapist does care about your life. Otherwise why not become an accountant. But we are outside the problem and can see it more objectively than the client. Being objective doesn't mean we don't care. Suppose a friend came to you with a problem and soought your advice. Many of us would be able to say the right thing to them. We can do it for someone else but often have a hard time putting the same advice into proactice for ourselves. A professional can go further. They aren't a friend so they don't have that bias. The professional knows how to helpyou find the an swers - sometimes by simply repeating things you have said but can't seem to get it all toghter to clarify the picture.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I can't find the second point so will go look for it

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