by HenryP 26 Replies latest jw friends
It is of intrerest that the master(JC)
said to let them grow TOGETHER,
and NOT TO SEPARATE THEM.
Why not separate them early before the END???
Jesus said: because you might UP ROOT THE WHEAT in the process.
The only ones with divine authority to separate the weeds from the wheat are the ANGELS. And they have to wait until it's THE END.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
Friday: You just emphasized my point. The JW definition of "acceptable Christian conduct" does not agree with that of the apostles. You did this by asking: "Have you known anybody in today's military that has had holy spirit miraculously rained down upon them, who then spoke with "tongues", but then afterwards were refused baptism by JWs?"
As we know Peter baptized a man who was an active member of his country's military, whom he had just seen talking in tongues. (Acts 10) However, JWs refuse to baptize anyone who is a member of his country's military and anyone who talks in tongues and believes they do so by the power of God's Holy Spirit. By doing so they prove in these two ways (among many others) that they teach differently than the apostles. And the apostle Paul said quite plainly that those who teach differently than the apostles are accursed by God. (Gal. 1:8,9)
Borgfree
As far as "rubbing my nose" in that picture, you again misunderstand, the picture makes me PROUD.Of course it makes you "proud" (that's no surprise). That's because you've returned to the slop you were slurping up and wallowing in before you ever heard of the WTS, Borgfree. The saying of the true proverb has happened to YOU: "The sow that was bathed has returned to rolling in the mire." -- 2 Peter 2:22.
You and other JWs enjoy the freedoms that those men fight and die for, then you ridicule them and the Pastor who blesses them! I know you are deceived and blinded, but it is time for you to wake up!Enough of such nonsense!
Second: Your attributing the enjoyment of certain freedoms to men having fought and died, makes you an IDOLOTER. You've as good as said that you didn't have the right to such freedoms except that MEN gave them to you. And now I suppose that you're gonna tell us all that the farmers are the providers of the food we all ingest daily. You're a mere weasel, and there's no wonder that you're a WTS reject! You obviously never learned anything from your studies of the Bible. Or did you ever even study the Bible?
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
Faithful2Jah
Friday: You just emphasized my point. The JW definition of "acceptable Christian conduct" does not agree with that of the apostles. You did this by asking: "Have you known anybody in today's military that has had holy spirit miraculously rained down upon them, who then spoke with "tongues", but then afterwards were refused baptism by JWs?"Thanks for demonstrating that you are too dense to understand plain English. It’s nothing like you are trying to represent it to be. The times during which the apostles lived were accompanied with the miraculous manifestations of the holy spirit. Those sort of things which God did during Christianity’s infancy had a purpose for that period alone, and so aren’t necessary any longer because they served/fulfilled their purpose long ago. Therefore, different conditions warrant different actions.
As we know Peter baptized a man who was an active member of his country's military, whom he had just seen talking in tongues. (Acts 10) However, JWs refuse to baptize anyone who is a member of his country's military and anyone who talks in tongues and believes they do so by the power of God's Holy Spirit. By doing so they prove in these two ways (among many others) that they teach differently than the apostles. And the apostle Paul said quite plainly that those who teach differently than the apostles are accursed by God. (Gal. 1:8,9)You know, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or to pity you. Shall I become your teacher? You left the Organization, a “house” of instruction, did you not? And now you wish to somehow soothe your conscience by hoping to confirm that it was a wise decision by way of inventing weak arguments, plus seeking information/explanations in order to see if some JW can top you? I COULD make things more plain for you, but I think I will stop feeding your ego at this point. You’re really a pity to behold!
I will say that I'm quite disappointed that HenryP, the originator of this thread, hasn't seen fit to re-enter a discussion that he himself started. Maybe HenryP has just been easing nature all this time, taking an extra long pee?
Yadirf,
You stated:
Of course it makes you "proud" (that's no surprise). That's because you've returned to the slop you were slurping up and wallowing in before you ever heard of the WTS, Borgfree. The saying of the true proverb has happened to YOU: "The sow that was bathed has returned to rolling in the mire."Yadirf, I was born into the cult, I cannot RETURN to slurping the slop unless I would be crazy enough to return to the Watchtower teachings, I am not THAT crazy.
Again you said:
Your attributing the enjoyment of certain freedoms to men having fought and died, makes you an IDOLOTER. You've as good as said that you didn't have the right to such freedoms except that MEN gave them to you.Yadirf, I know where everything comes from, "the Father of celestial lights" The father allows humans to work/fight for their food/safety.
You said:
Or did you ever even study the Bible?Yadirf, I do not know about you but I had never read the bible all of the way through, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Since leaving the JWs I have read it through more than once, and will continue to read it front to back each year, as long as God permits. I have never known a JW to read the entire bible. I do not mean that in a bragging way, but I am a little familiar with the bible.
Thank you for your kind words Yadirf. May the God of the bible open your eyes.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
Yadirf,
Pertaining to Peter's being willing to baptize a man while he was yet in the military, and JWs now refusing to act in the same way, you wrote, "Those sort of things which God did during Christianity's infancy had a purpose for that period alone ... different conditions warrant different actions."
I'm curious. What conditions do you believe are "different" today which prove to you that it was proper for Peter to have baptized a member of the military, and prove to you that it is now improper for Christians to do the same thing? I understand your view that we no longer need miracles because we now have the complete Bible. But how does that fact change what kind of people should now be allowed to be baptized?
Borgfree
Yadirf, I know where everything comes from, "the Father of celestial lights". The father allows humans to ...fight for their ...safety.You make the world's warring nations appear so innocent. If I'm being attacked by an intruder, of course I have God's permission to defend myself. But you won't find any support in the Scriptures for a Christian aligning himself with the nations in warfare. Part of becoming a Christian is that such persons have SEPARATED themselves from the world and its ungodly ways. A Christian can't help fight the world's bloody battles without having supported the world itself ... a "world" that came about as the result of Adam rejecting God's oversight.
BTW, the fact that you were born into the religion, but now spit in its face, makes you all the more guilty for taking sides with those who love the slop I referred to earlier. YOU, of all people, should have reason to know and understand more than what you've demonstrated here in this thread.
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
Your attributing the enjoyment of certain freedoms to men having fought and died, makes you an IDOLOTER.
Yadirf,
Just curious: Christ died for all mankind. You could argue that God directed him to do so; however, he had free will and chose to give his life. Because of this sacrifice you claim to have the possible future of paradise on earth and freedom from sin. This freedom can only be attributed to Christ (since, again, he had free will). Therefore, you enjoy that freedom because of an individual whom you feel is NOT God. Is this, or is this not idolatry under your guideline as quoted above?
Yadirf,
My experiences have been that the organization has been the one spitting in my face, as far back as I can remember.
I believed the WT was God's only channel to mankind etc. I believed it for a very long time. It was only after that famous last straw that I decided to really do research to determine if the WT was truely speaking for god, only then by comparing what the WT teaches, with what the bible really says, and what bible scholars say, did I realize that the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses were false.
I do not know if you have done any research, other than WT publications, or not. I think you are probably like my JW family. They have told me I should return to Jehovah's organization, but, I ask them this question, "I have studied BOTH sides of the Watchtower teachings, and claims, and I know both sides, have you?" If not, then how can you be in any position to tell someone that you have the correct answers?
You simply cannot.
I think you assume that I know better than to believe the way I do. The fact is that I know better than to believe the way the JWs do. I do really hope that you will seriously consider an honest investigation of your beliefs.
It is hard to do, I always thought that Jehovah knew my thoughts and that He would be very angry if I even considered thinking that the WT teachings could be wrong. I came to realize that truth can stand any test, only falsehood must hide from examination.
The scripture that changed everything for me was Deuteronomy 18:20-22. I knew that during my lifetime the WT had made prophecies, call them whatever you want, they are still prophecies, and that every last one of those prophecies proved to be false. I read God's words telling me NOT to fear the Watchtower as they were false prophets. From that point on I started on a course of truely KNOWING God, not having a knowledge of God, Satan and the demons have a KNOWLEDGE of God.
I wish the same thing for you, that you come to know God.
Borgfree
"Without knowledge there can be no genuine faith--only superstition on the one hand or speculation on the other" Robert Banks
Yadirf,
I think there are some thoughts here in this thread that plead for your unbiased attention.
I for one lack the drive to explain to you the way some here have done, to their credit.
Just for once indulge your self in the pleasure of not having to defend the WT, and listen with an unbiased leaning(like Paul told Timothy to do).
I know the WT has implanted fears deep within us, to keep us shakled to their interpetation only, try to be a fearless man and think unshakled by the WT.
Do it for yourself. May God give you the courage to see the truth.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
