Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine (page 11)

bohm

if there is a hell, it certainly involve having to read djeggnogs repetitive drivel...

anybody care to give a summary? i just cant make myself read it..

cofty

No I can't be bothered, he has verbal diarrhea and thinks that quantity makes up for accuracy.

He completely ignored my question about Israel being permitted to eat the unbled meat of an animal already dead. Typical JW apologist.

If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. - Lev11:39,40

He also seems to know nothing about the OT sacrificial arrangements.

ProdigalSon

Arguing with this Watchtower parrot, who in turn are Bible parrots, is an incredible waste of time, while the Watchtower continues to kill people.

All that sacred blood shit and animal sacrifices was put in the Bible by the Black Magician Ezra, after he picked it up during the exile in Babylon. All this crap comes from Sumeria.

http://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/ezlaw.htm

The Watchtower is run by Black Magicians. Go ahead, continue sacrificing your children to Jehovah the bloodthirsty War god. They should all be rounded up and arrested for negligent homicide and/or first degree murder, and shot in the back room of the Kingdom Hall. If we're going to follow the OT, might as well kill your neighbor and his wife, kill his dog and cat, take his house and his land, and keep his virgin daughters to get your rocks off on. Oh, and don't forget to take all those dead bodies and make a smoke sacrifice to Jehovah in his backyard.

S EIGHT

Hi DJ,

I hate to sound rude but your mega long posts are too boring to go through and in my opinion, there's no need to go through them.

The issue is simple.

However you attemp to justify your position on blood you fail to address the primary fact that in order for you allow your conscience to accept blood fractions, you need the help of a worldy person to donate blood in the first place.

Can brother A donate blood so that brother B can accept a fraction of it? No.

The entire JW blood theory is contradiction and I'm afraid you are another victim of double-think.

No matter how you try and convince yourself that a fraction is not whole blood, it came from a worldly who committed a disfellowshipping act.

Your American corporation continues to bend the rules to suit itself and people like you go along with whatever they publish.

S8

OUTLAW

DjEggNogg..

........................... ...OUTLAW

mrsjones5

I won't spend a lot of time with this, and you're off-topic anyway: I believe that you're entitled to have this point of view. There are many people that feel exactly the same way you do about Jehovah's Witnesses. People that are not Jehovah's Witnesses or who are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses have every right to believe what they choose to believe in harmony with their religious beliefs, just as we have our own religious beliefs about folks that aren't Jehovah's Witnesses, too.

Do you have anything that you'd like to contribute to this thread initiated by the OP (@jgnat) that is related to blood factions? Perhaps there are some here that would be interested in hearing your thoughts as they relate to the topic.

I was responding the the backhand comment YOU made as to whether Jgnat is a real Christian or not. I am totally aware of how jdubs as yourself look down on folks who are Christians (not the twisted jw version of Christianity) so my comment to YOU was totally in line with this thread. YOU Eggnog was out of line and Jgnat was a total lady not to take offense at your sad attempt to make her stfu.

Satanus

Congratulations, dj, for showing up. While i don't agree w the wt blood stance, you coming in against the odds is to be respected.

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moshe

Well, I am glad you can admit that one member of the GB could be of the opinion that blood transfusions can be accepted by JWs. It appears to be understood by you and all JWs, that, A- obeying a WT directive and, B- having to determine, if said WT directives come from God, are mutually exclusive ( your catch phrase) decisions. However, for the rest of the world where logic governs, a "No" answer for B always trumps the WT's claimed, God-given right to govern the lives of JWs.

There is a reason, obvious to everyone but JWs, as to why God isn't communicating with the GB.

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djeggnog

@Listener:

From what I can understand you have whole blood which can be broken down to four components, from this each component can be further broken down into fractions.

Yes, and perhaps it would help you to better understand what a fraction is were you to imagine that we were here talking about a music project, which most people would refer to as a "music CD." (I'm a DJ, so this illustration readily comes to my mind.)

Now the artist that recorded this music CD, the one to whom credit is typically given (even though really it's the recording industry label that is responsible for producing the projects that they sell to the public as music CDs), is how you might refer to this music CD. Maybe you call it the "Elton John" music CD or the "Luther Vandross" music CD or the "Fleetwood Mac" music CD, but whatever you call it, this music CD represents whole blood.

Now there may be several songs on this music CD, and let's say on this particular music CD that there are ten songs on it, which all together constitute the recording project. Let's also say that four of the ten songs on this music CD are quite popular; it seems as if they are being played all of the time whenever it is you turn on your radio. Each one of these sons in these popular songs that you like that are an integral part of this project, which we will here refer to as "tracks," represents the four (4) components of whole blood, plasma, white cells, red cells and platelets.

Now I don't know if you have ever done this, but let's say you do from time to time will purchase the MP3 equivalent of the songs you enjoy hearing whenever it is you turn on your radio for $0.99 each, and today you decide that you want to buy and download from the Amazon.com website four of the tracks from this music CD you like, specifically, I'm referring here to the Elton John music CD from which you are interested in acquiring four of its tracks, four songs in MP3 format.

Maybe you will add these songs to iTunes application installed on your PC or Mac desktop so that you might synchronize them with the others songs that are synchronized from it to your iOS device (iPod, your iTouch, your iPhone, your iPad/iPad 2), or maybe your intent is to burn these four songs to a cd that you can pop into the cd player in your car and listen to them all while you are driving. Whatever.

You have located these four tracks on the Amazon.com website and they are all listed there waiting on you to purchase them. But you want to make sure that these are the songs you want, not some Kareoke version or instrumental-only version of the songs, so you use your mouse there and click on the first song listed there -- this is one of the four songs you intend to buy if it's the right one -- and wait for the song to begin playing, and it does start playing. It is the right one!

You move to the second one in your list and repeat this same exercise, and you're satisfied that this one is the right one, too. Now it's on to the third one, and then to the fourth one, and you're satisfied that you will be buying the correct tracks, so you add all four of these to the Amazon.com online shopping cart and then, wouldn't you know it: You were just about to push the "Checkout" button when you lose your connection to the internet and so, as a consequence of this, you have been disconnected from the Amazon.com shopping cart. You know you will have to wait a few minutes, maybe up to 15 minutes, before you will be able to get reconnected to the 'net and log back on to the Amazon.com website to purchase and download the four tracks.

But you have an idea! Copies of the samples of those four songs to which you listened while you were connected to the 'net and the Amazon.com website are somewhere on your computer, not the entire song, mind you, but the four samples to which you had listened before you were suddenly disconnected from it. You decide to burn a "throwaway" CD of these samples to it since you are about ready to leave and you want to be able to play those samples in your car as you drive. You'll trash the throwaway CD later when you have finally downloaded and burned the CD with all four of the songs in their entirety. You were able to locate those four samples on your computer and you have now burned them to your throwaway CD.

Well, you're now in your car and you are able to hear your songs, that is, the samples that you were able to burn to your throwaway CD, playing on your car stereo as you drive. The four samples to which you are now listening are not the entire songs, of course; you'll get those later when you are able to download the tracks (the "components") from the Amazon.com website. You could just stop here at Tower Records and buy the entire music CD for this Elton John title (the "whole blood containing all of components"), but you do not wish to spend $16.99; four MP3 @$0.99 per track is only $3.96. You'll just play your throwaway CD containing the four samples (the "fractions") in the meantime and just wait.

Notice that the throwaway CD is not a copy of the original music CD title, and that it doesn't contain all ten of the tracks that the original music CD title contains. Not only doesn't your throwaway CD contain all ten of the tracks that are contained on the original music CD, but there are four samples of only four of the ten tracks that are contained on the original music CD, and each sample is a 30-second snippet from each of the four tracks. Thus, your throwaway CD contains fractions of the tracks that the original music CD contains, total playing time: 2:00 minutes.

In the music industry, you are permitted by law to have these songs on your throwaway CD and to play them whenever and wherever you wish without penalty; none of these samples ("fractions") play the entire song on any of the tracks ("components") contained on the original music CD, and unless you should opt either to buy all ten tracks from Amazon.com or to buy the original music CD ("whole blood") from Tower Records, all you have is those fractions.

The recording industry label says to "abstain from piracy" or you will be fined for doing so. The record industry label also says that you may purchase the original music CD, which contains all ten tracks of the project or you may purchase individual tracks from the original music CD; your choice. But it has no policy against your having and playing back samples of the tracks from the original music CD. The recording industry label says, "Enjoy the music, all 2:00 minutes' worth on your throwaway CD with our blessing."

Jehovah God says "abstain ... from blood" (Acts 15:20). Jehovah says you may not use whole blood. By this command, He also prohibits the use of any of the four components of whole blood. But Jehovah has no policy against your using fractions from any of these four components. These fractions constitute neither whole blood nor any of the four components of whole blood.

It is not acceptable for a JW to accept either whole blood or any of the four components but as for the fractions, it is up to their own conscience.

The coffee in a coffeemaker essentially requires two ingredients: Ground coffee beans and water. I tell my child: "I don't want to see or hear about you drinking coffee. Do you hear me?" I do not expect my child to find a way to drink coffee in secret, where I don't see or hear of him or her doing so. My child understands that coffee drinking is off-limits. But water isn't off-limits, so although it is a primary component of coffee, I have not prohibited removal of the coffee compartment and running the water through the coffeemaker to make a cup of hot tea.

Now if my child should do this, there is very real the possibility that nutrients or fractions from the coffee will end up in my child's tea cup, and his or her "conscience" tells him or her that it's not a big deal, that the smell is pleasant one and he or she will hardly notice. However, in my child's using the water in a different way than the coffeemaker is typically used, did he or she violate my law, "I don't want to see or hear about you drinking coffee"? No. Why not? Because what "coffee" ended up in my child's tea cup, with maybe a hint of the coffee aroma, was merely a fraction.

Unfortunately, medical science is not advanced enough to manufacture some of these fractions by any other means other than extracting them from blood and therefore makes these fractions unique to blood.

That's correct, since these fractions are "extracted" from one of the four primary components of blood, making them unique to blood, or, more specifically, unique to the blood component from which these blood fractions have been extracted.

If all these fractions together make whole blood, or a number of them make one component, why is the line drawn as being a conscience matter in relation to fractions and not to the components?

I trust that the illustration I provide above regarding samples from a music CD will sufficiently answer your question and put the matter to rest.

@djeggnog

cofty

That is the most idiotic sequence of illustrations I have ever seen.

Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

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