Evidence for an Egyptian Presence In Early PalestineEgyptian Artifacts Salvaged from Robbed Tomb in Israel

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    And, another interesting archeological find:

    Rare Ancient Coffin in Jezreel Valley Holds Egyptian Pharaoh’s Signet Ring

    Also found next to the deceased was an Egyptian scarab seal, encased in gold and affixed to a ring.
    Published: April 9th, 2014

    Gold scarab with symbol of Pharaoh Seti I set in a ring found in a 3,300 year old coffin in the Jezreel Valley

    Gold scarab with symbol of Pharaoh Seti I set in a ring found in a 3,300 year old coffin in the Jezreel Valley
    Photo Credit: Clara Amit, courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority

    A gold signet ring bearing the name of Egyptian Pharoah Seti I was among the personal belongings of a wealthy Canaanite recently discovered in a 3,300-year-old coffin at the foot of Tel Shadud in the Jezreel Valley.

    The archaeological dig took place at a site where construction was to begin on a pipeline carrying natural gas to Ramat Gavriel by the Israel Natural Gas Lines Company.

    The Israel Antiquities Authority usually carries out an excavation at construction sites before any project begins. Often, unusual discoveries are made, and this time was no exception.

    Excavation directors Dr. Edwin van den Bring, Dan Kirzner and the IAA’s Dr. Ron Be’eri said, “We discovered a unique and rare find: a cylindrical coffin with an anthropoidal lid – a cover fashioned in the image of a person – surrounded by a variety of pottery consisting mainly of storage vessels for food, tableware, cultic vessels and animal bones… it seems these were used as offerings for the gods and were also meant to provide the dead with sustenance in the afterlife.”

    The skeleton of an adult was found inside the clay coffin. Next to it was more pottery, a bronze dagger, bronze bowl and hammered pieces of bronze.

    Rare 3,300 year old coffin of a wealthy Canaanite uncovered in the Jezreel Valley.

    Rare 3,300 year old coffin of a wealthy Canaanite uncovered in the Jezreel Valley.

    “Since the vessels interred with the individual were produced locally, we assume the deceased was an official of Canaanite origin who was engaged in the service of the Egyptian government.”

    Also found next to the deceased was an Egyptian scarab seal, encased in gold and affixed to a ring. This item is used to seal documents and objects.

    The name of the crown of Pharaoh Seti I, who ruled ancient Egypt in the 13th century BCE, appears on the seal. Seti I was the father of Ramses II, identified by some scholars are the pharaoh mentioned in the Biblical story of the Israelites’ Exodus from Egypt.

    The Egyptian coffin lid after it was cleaned up. Photo by: Clara Amit, courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority

    The Egyptian coffin lid after it was cleaned up.
    Photo by: Clara Amit, courtesy of the Israel Antiquities Authority

    Already in the first year of his reign (1294 BCE) a revolt broke out against Seti I in the Beit Shean Valley, but he conquered that region and established Egyptian rule in Canaan.

    Seti’s name on the seal symbolizes power and protection, and the reference to him on the scarab found in the coffin aided the researchers in dating the time of burial. A cemetery dating to Seti I’s reign was previously uncovered at Beit Shean, the center of Egyptian rule in the Land of Israel, and similar clay coffins were exposed.

    This new discovery, however, surprised archaeologists.

    Tel Shadud preserves the Biblical name “Sarid” and the mound, located in the northern part of the Jezreel Valley close to Kibbutz Sarid, is often referred to as Tel Sarid.

    The city is mentioned in the Bible among the settlements of the Tribes of Israel, with Sarid included in the territory of the Tribe of Zevulun as a border city. It is mentioned in the Book of Joshua:

    “The third lot came up for the Tribe of Zevulun, according to its families. And the territory of its inheritance reached as far as Sarid . . . (Joshua 19:10)

    The researchers add that only a few such coffins have been uncovered in this country – the last one found at Deir el-Bala about 50 years ago.

    “An ordinary person could not afford the purchase of such a coffin,” they added. “It is obvious the deceased was a member of the local elite.”

    The graves of two men and two women who may have been family members were located nearby, researchers said, noting the find is evidence of Egyptian control of the Jezreel Valley in the 13th century BCE (Late Bronze Age).

    The IAA has said it may try to sample the DNA of the skeleton in the coffin to determine whether the deceased was of Canaanite or Egyptian ancestry.

    About the Author: Hana Levi Julian is a Middle East news analyst with a degree in Mass Communication and Journalism from Southern Connecticut State University. A past columnist with The Jewish Press and senior editor at Arutz 7, Ms. Julian has written for Babble.com, Chabad.org and other media outlets, in addition to her years working in broadcast journalism.

    Reference: http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/rare-ancient-coffin-in-jezreel-valley-holds-egyptian-pharaohs-signet-ring/2014/04/09/



  • jhine
    jhine

    Thank you fulltimestudent . Why the suspicion of the link between the new world encyclopaedia and the Unification Church ? I did also look at Bible History Online .

    Trouble is when we are looking back at bits and pieces of history and have to try and piece things together from fragmented evidence it is easy to put our own bias ,whatever that is , onto the story ,

    Jan

  • SimonSays
    SimonSays

    http://www.donotlink.com/framed?575965

    http://www.discoverynews.us/DISCOVERY%20MUSEUM/BibleLandsDisplay/Red_Sea_Chariot_Wheels/Red_Sea_Chariot_Wheels_3.html

    So for us skeptics, how would you join that vast amount of archeological evidence to prove biblical events? Also depending on which linguistic scholar you speak with, the presumption on the Sea of Reed has been refuted by their own scholars, and archeology.

    Although I cannot answer why they have not displayed their finding in a museum. That answer is best left to the curator of the museum of that region.

    Another misconception is, which Pharaoh ruled in the Exodus account. For decades it was thought that Ramses II was it as indicated by the timeline below. However a closer look at that century has reviled it was Thutmoses III. Well everything is a hypothesis unless someone was there or proven otherwise by sold archeology.

    Pharaoh of Moses' flight to Midian: Thutmoses II/Hatshepsut: 1498-1485 BC
    Pharaoh of the Exodus: Thutmoses III: 1485/1464 - 1431 BC

    1759 BC: The fall of the Middle Kingdom leads to the 2nd Intermediate period, and the occupation of northern Egypt by the Hyksos

    1539 BC: The reunification of Egypt and the expulsion of the Hyksos begins the New Kingdom, a period when Egypt became a leading power in the Middle East

    1446 BC: The Exodus Begins (Exodus 13-18)

    1344-1328 BC: The pharaoh Akhenaton carries out a short-lived religious reformation

    1336-1327 BC: Tutankhamen reigns

    1279-1213 BC: The reign of Ramses II brings Egypt to the height of its power (incorrect)

  • jhine
    jhine

    Simon Says

    I cannot read all of your post , another one where the ends are cut off .

    Jan

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    SimonSays:

    So for us skeptics, how would you join that vast amount of archeological evidence to prove biblical events? Also depending on which linguistic scholar you speak with, the presumption on the Sea of Reed has been refuted by their own scholars, and archeology.

    Although I cannot answer why they have not displayed their finding in a museum. That answer is best left to the curator of the museum of that region.

    Wow! Simon, you've really worked hard to find so much evidence to demonstrate that your deep faith in God's word is not misplaced.

    There's only one more problem - you failed to check who your sources were, and all you've done is to prove that for so many people, faith = gullibility.

    I attempted to assist you to check further when I asked you, in which museum the mythical wheel was displayed? I'm glad you made an effort to check, but since you couldn't find an answer you made the comment that its up to the curator of the museum. What did that mean? Nothing.

    Any archeological find in Egyptian territory is considered to be the property of the state and is cared for by Egypt's Council of Antiquities. In Israel there is an equivalent organisation, the Israel Antiquities Authority.

    Any find, such as those described in the spurious news reports you cited, would create enormous excitement and the objects (whatever they were) would be displayed in some appropriate museum, and advertised - like this: http://www.antiquities.org.il/t/default_en.aspx. Another example is the important Dead Sea Scrolls which are displayed in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, and are in the process of being digitally copied ( you can access the site and see them at: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/project ).

    In my next post, we can take a look at the web-sites you suggest demonstrate the truth of the exodus.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    SimonSays said:
    So for us skeptics, how would you join that vast amount of archeological evidence to prove biblical events?

    First thing- check the validity of your sources. How? In the case of the 'donotlink' site, there's a menu along the top. One button says, "About Us" click on it.

    Then you'll find another menu, one of which reads DISCLAIMER.

    Click on that and you can read (among other things) this:

    WNDR assumes however all responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a miracle.

    So, its a hoax site!

    No need to say more about that, except a few words of comfort. All of us here (obviously) have been hoaxed in our belief that Jesus was soon coming to our rescue.


    SimonSays continued:

    Also depending on which linguistic scholar you speak with, the presumption on the Sea of Reed has been refuted by their own scholars, and archeology.

    No need for further words

    and more

    Although I cannot answer why they have not displayed their finding in a museum. That answer is best left to the curator of the museum of that region.

    If the so-called discoveries are fake, then that's the reason they are not in a museum

    Now the other link. The Discovery News and the golden chariot wheel.

    Right at the top of the page you linked us to, it mentions Ron Wyatt. Wyatt, was a medical technician/nurse, and a Seventh Day Adventist who became an amateur archeologist always claiming that he was making some great discovery that proved the Bible true.

    It was all fake news.



  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent
    jhine16 hours ago: Thank you fulltimestudent . Why the suspicion of the link between the new world encyclopaedia and the Unification Church ? I did also look at Bible History Online .
    Trouble is when we are looking back at bits and pieces of history and have to try and piece things together from fragmented evidence it is easy to put our own bias ,whatever that is , onto the story ,

    I. The possibility of 'Bias' - Yeah! I may be slightly biased or pissed off about wasting 40 bloody years of my life in the deluded belief that I was part of the generation, of which Jesus spoke when he said, " This generation will by no means pass away until all things occur."

    A bias only slightly offset by the realisation that Jesus must have been deluded also. A bit worse in his case, as he sought death in his expectation that Yahweh was using him to re-establish the Kingdom of David.

    2. The Unification church. Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

    This church, originating in Korea, whose adherents are often known as 'moonies' (after the founder, the Reverend Moon) is like the Watchtower Society on steroids.

  • HowTheBibleWasCreated
    HowTheBibleWasCreated

    With the exception of two or three posters so far no one, other then the poster, bothered to check science.

    This is the 21st century and our understanding of what the land has told us reveals:

    1. Abraham... if he ever existed he never met a Philistine...

    2. Joseph. Based on earlier stories but not histoircal.

    3. Exodus. Never happened. Oh many priests from Egypt moved north in Shishaks time etc... but no mass exodus.

    4. Conquest. Not really. As already stated... more a rebellion within Canaan.

    5. Israel's first king was likely Egyptian.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAZmiS9ALfc

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    So after those digressions, what are we left with?

    This! The archeological evidence demonstrates an Egyptian presence in Palestine at around the time that the Exodus was supposed to take place.

    There is no supporting evidence for such a mass movement of people from Egypt to Palestine (Canaan). It is an entirely mythical story, as at least some modern Jews recognise.

    And that means the Passover meal is based on an non-existent event - and if the Christian Memorial* (for JW Christians) is based on the Passover - then it too loses its historical roots.

    * There's a possibility that the early Christians that Paul speaks too about a sacred meal, copied that off other religions of the time who also had sacred meals. The followers of Mithraism for example).

  • jhine
    jhine

    full-time student , I meant no offence by my comments ,I was trying to be fair and point out that Christians also bring bias to the evidence .

    Jan

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