So why are there earthquakes?

by trevorbv 41 Replies latest jw friends

  • undercover
    undercover

    They can’t be an accident, because everything God does is intended.

    So, if God created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

    The WTS has often tried to blame the earth's woes on man... "God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth". A lot of ills can be traced to man's greed and hubris and the WTS takes full advantage of these to show that "man cannot direct his own footsteps". They've even gone so far as to say that God's creations are perfect, it's man's rebellious state and sinfulness that has caused the problems.

    But not so with earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes/typhoons, tsunamis and other natural occuring disasters. These are designs of the planet as it continues to evolve (oooh, there's that word again). So, either God has some recall issues with some of his designs or the planet's continual evolution has periods of upheaval that are destructive and deadly.

  • trevorbv
    trevorbv
    Well, every other planet in the universe seems to work in a similar way, though far more extreme fromour POV.

    If God is all-powerful, all-wise he can do it. He could create a balanced universe without any earthquakes, without collisions, without anything harmful for material beings.

    Earthquakes are NOT "irrational events", they are a part of nature.

    And that nature was intended by God. Hm..What can I learn about Him if I think about that?

    I rest my case.

  • trevorbv
    trevorbv

    The WTS has often tried to blame the earth's woes on man.

    Good answer. I always hated WTBTS's answers about these things. They always want to make God look good. They always show in the Awake only the nicest things in the natural world: butterflies, cute bunnies, roses but never violent animals like orcas or lions in the Was it Designed? series.

  • oompa
    oompa

    i could have written you post trevor...i was thinking the exact same thing and have for a long time....i mean life is tough enough just day to day...why throw in earthquakes and hurricanes....people say it is not god but just mother nature....like he did not create nature? and jws say god allows it to happen but does not do it right? but think about the many times he controlled mother nature in the bible...

    he parted the sea for moses

    then he let moses hit a rock and he make water flow from it

    he made the sun stand still for a war! lmoa...i can make this up

    he turned a river into blood...yummmmm

    and did all kinds of mother nature crap with those plagues

    oh and he made a zillion quail flop down on the isrealites in the dessert....plus the manna...

    plus the clouds to hide by day....and maybe a tower of fire at night?

    so why cant he just say no more quakes?..............oompa....and what a bad globe design btw

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    If God is all-powerful, all-wise he can do it. He could create a balanced universe without any earthquakes, without collisions, without anything harmful for material beings.

    A very valid point, moot for those that believe God to NOT be ALL powerful or those that believe in evolution/ the world comeing to be the way it is via a process like all other planest in the universe, but for those that do, it does bring up the interesting question of to why God created the World to be the way it is and not "better".

    And that nature was intended by God. Hm..What can I learn about Him if I think about that?

    I rest my case.

    Your case about why there are earthquakes?

    Dude, if you were a lawyer, I feel sorry for your client, LOL ! ;)

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    and what a bad globe design btw

    LMAO and you can do better?

    I do give scientists this, they at least appeciate the wonderous universe we live in, some of you guys seem to think that it caould have been done better and perhaps you are right, though I haven't heard anyone say HOW they would have done it better.

    I also notice I don't see many scientists stating how THEY could have done it better.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/12.58.html

    Its an old article but gives a view thatsoem may find helpful, an exerpt:

    A fresh way of looking at the problem of natural evil and suffering comes from Rare Earth, a 2003 book by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee that traces the myriad conditions required for life to exist on any planet. In a sense, the authors—an eminent paleontologist and an astronomer at the University of Washington in Seattle—are discussing the "anthropic principle," which specifies the degree to which our planet appears fine-tuned for complex life. The concept is often used in Christian apologetics to show that our intelligently designed universe seems to point to an intelligent designer.

    Ward and Brownlee ask: Why do natural disasters such as earthquakes, seaquakes, and tsunamis occur? All three are the consequence of plate tectonics, the giant plates that move under the surface of the earth and the ocean floor. Apparently our planet is unique in having plate tectonics. Ward and Brownlee show that without this geological feature, there would be no large mountain ranges or continents.

    While natural disasters occasionally wreak havoc, our planet needs plate tectonics to produce the biodiversity that enables complex life to flourish on earth. Without plate tectonics, earth's land would be submerged to a depth of several thousand feet. Fish might survive in such an environment, but not humans.

    Plate tectonics also help regulate the earth's climate, preventing the onset of scorching or freezing temperatures that would make mammalian life impossible. In sum, plate tectonics are a necessary prerequisite to human survival on the only planet known to sustain life.

    Ehrman and others may not find this convincing. They might ask, "Why didn't God devise a world that didn't require plate tectonics and consequently one that wouldn't have to put up with earthquakes?" In other words, surely God could have made a universe that operated according to a different set of laws.

    Ward and Brownlee's answer to this is as simple as it is devastating. Such a world could have produced life, but it surely could not have produced creatures like us. Science tells us that our world has all the necessary conditions for species like Homo sapiens to survive and endure.

    Our planet requires oxygen and a warming sun and water in order for us to live here, and we appreciate this, even though we recognize that people can get sunstroke and drown in the ocean. So, too, it seems that plate tectonics are, as Ward and Brownlee put it, a "central requirement for life" as we know it.

    This is not to suggest, as the scientist and philosopher Leibniz once argued, that ours is the best of all possible worlds. But ours may be the best of all feasible worlds, at least as viewed from a human perspective. This recognition will not stop people from bemoaning the next earthquake, but it should at least stop us from blithely assuming that the Creator could have done a much better job.

  • trevorbv
    trevorbv
    Ward and Brownlee's answer to this is as simple as it is devastating. Such a world could have produced life, but it surely could not have produced creatures like us.

    Is this article suggesting evolution? Nice.

    So, too, it seems that plate tectonics are, as Ward and Brownlee put it, a "central requirement for life" as we know it.

    They sound like WTBTS: "it seems".

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Is this article suggesting evolution? Nice

    Why wouldn't it? outside of a small but very vocal group of conservative fundamentalists, evolution is accepted by the majority of Christians.

    Heck the RCC with over a bilion christians accepts it.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Don't they believe that God used evolution to create things?

    Anyway, I came up with an idea that I just saw above: Life on earth just may need for the earth to mix itself up in order to keep vegitation growing.

    Just guessing, but the effect of a tsunami is like taking a mixer to the ocean, right?

    It stirs things up and uncovers nutrients for the life in the ocean.

    I wonder how many animals get killed by these events.

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