Belief does not define character

by Nickolas 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Have you ever wondered how there could be so many pedophiles and other miscreants who are Jehovah's Witnesses, who claim to be the chosen People of God and who profess and honour Christian morals? You could ask the same question of the Roman Catholic clergy and the staff of Protestant run orphanages. The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic priests and Protestant orphanage staff are not miscreants, but they share something in common with their despicable bretheren and that is they believe the same thing. The miscreant Jehovah's Witness is just as dedicated to his beliefs as the non-miscreant Jehovah's Witness. And I'm sure there are atheist miscreants out there, too.

    What a person believes influences behaviour but what a person believes does not define his or her character. The nature of prejudice is such that all people who are identified with a different group are held in contempt, even those who are otherwise good and honourable people.

    Agree or disagree. My hide is thick.

  • tec
    tec

    I'm not sure.

    What you choose to believe might indeed define your character. What you choose to focus on, at least. However, a group you belong to - if you do belong to one - might not define your character, because you might think, believe and act differently than others in your group.

    Does that make sense?

    Tammy

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Jehovah`s Witness`s are held to a Higher Standard..Because..Thats how they Advertise themselves..

    The WBT$ Organization is just so much better than everyone elses.."Look at the Imorality in OTHER Organizations!"..

    Then they Whine and Complain when you point out..

    JW`s are just as Bad or Worse,than the People they Demonize..

    I have no sympathy for the WBT$ or their supporters..They put themselves in the Spotlight..

    I`m a Jehovah`s Witness..Your Not..

    I`m so much More Important than You!..

    http://www.toothmingle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/smiling-business-man-showing-thumbs-up-thumb6354935-282x300.jpg

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • JonathanH
    JonathanH

    I agree. I prefer to be more of a consequentialist, that is to say I care less about what people think than what they do. Which is not without it's faults, because the conventional wisdom is that people act on their beliefs, "out of the heart's abundance the mouth speaks" or something to that effect. But i think much of what people believe they believe out of inexperience, ignorance, or convenience, and wouldn't necessarily act on the things they claim to believe.

    For example a Catholic or JW can claim to believe that children should be protected, and fornication is wrong but there will be those that act in such a way so as to disobey both of their beliefs and molest a child. But the opposite side of that is there are millions of JWs that say that their child shouldn't get a blood transfusion because it would anger god, but if their child's life were on the line what percentage of them do you think would say "give them the transfusion, and I will deal with the consequences"? I don't have hard data for that, but my faith in humanity leads me to believe that there would be a significant portion willing to save their child's life than perform child sacrifice.

    We would all like to say we know how would behave in a given situation based on our convictions and beliefs, but many of our convictions are held because they have not been tested, and even if we still hold them, to err is human. It takes strength, wisdom and determination to act in a way that is consistent with what we hold to be our convictions. Which is why I think action is a far better metric when determining character than merely what one holds to be true in one's mind.

    But even then I think temporality must be taken into consideration. I don't think judgement of a person is ever possible. It would be easy for me for instance to judge my family for shunning me, or my friends for doing so. It is such an ignorant, unloving and insane action, what person in their right mind could do that? I could judge them as either being insane or despicable. But no more so than I was only a few years ago. I would've done the same in their position at a different time in my life. And who is to say that in a few years they won't will look back and regret their actions, just as I have done? So what am I to do? Grade on a curve, using myself as the metric? Judge them favorably during the period of time in which we were both shunning people, judge them harshly now, and then favorably later if they turn around? Or Judge us both harshly in hindsight, keep judging them harshly, and let myself off the hook since I have see the error of my ways? But perhaps in five years I will judge myself now harshly, and realize that based on things I'm doing now without even realizing it I am being hypocritical for judging them. From what standard do I have to speak ill of others? I can only live and let live, hoping that I am conscientious enough to realize what I am doing.

    To that end, I just try to take people at face value. Keep company with those that I enjoy, and avoid those that hurt (be it by design, or accident). Attempt to avoid causing harm, and help when possible. That's all that can be done.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " What a person believes influences behaviour but what a person believes does not define his or her character "

    I agree with that, my beliefs don't hinder me from expressing who I am, but they do have an influence on how

    I express myself.

    " Agree or disagree. My hide is thick."

    Hey Nick, you might need some udder cream it's not just for cows anymore

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    I think it goes without saying that Christians are more honorable and trustworthy than nonChristians, especially nonbelievers in any higher power. I wouldn't trust an atheist as much as they don't believe in God. They're unscrupulous individuals and lack the moral fortitude that Christians have to do whats right.

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    That's just too funny, mle. You are a master of satire, old boy.

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Hey Nickolas, I started a thread that speaks similarly.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/208282/1/Using-Christianity-as-a-badge

    I would agree that beliefs do not define character and I am trying to help my wife understand this. Unfortunately, she is still brainwashed to believe that because I want to do things that her beliefs don't condone that I am somehow immoral or want to do what I want, etc.. She may see the light one day but I think what it would take is for someone at the Kingdom Hall to do something reprehensible and get away with it with little more than a slap on the wrist (if that).

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    Your post brings to mind a quote, JohathanH.

    'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.' (Nobel Prize-winning American physicist) Steven Weinberg

    Whether you agree with Weinberg or not, what he is saying is that religious belief can sway people to behave differently than they would otherwise. Shunning is a stellar example.

    Best of luck, garyneal. I haven't figured out yet how to reach my wife, either.

    Still thinking about what you said, Tammy.

  • tec
    tec

    I'm still thinking about what you said, Nickolas, so that puts us on the same page :)

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