Dude...Memorial on Sunday? and the Battle for sd-7 Continues

by sd-7 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    So, how are you?

    I've gotten past much of my grieving over the whole marriage-destruction thing, largely by drowning out reality. I've been even more of a movie-head than usual--and that's saying an awful lot. Also, the quality of my meals has gone down considerably. I can say one thing, my wife was a great cook, not to mention being very cute. I miss her cooking, that's for sure.

    I'll avoid talking much more about that issue, save to say that we're talking again, and maybe, due to my own trust issues, that was the core problem in the first place. Lack of communication is deadly to a marriage. I'm not really a Bible-centric person anymore, but I do think, if there's a way to save my marriage, I ought to at least try. Failing to sort out the problems could result in my dragging the same problems into the rest of my life. I only wanted to marry once, and I have, so I don't want to let it die on my account. If this does end forever, I hope not to date anymore, ever. It's clear that I don't have the qualities needed for good husbanding/parenting. It's complicated and I can't discuss it more than that.

    I am returning to therapy this week, so...that's nice. Not even sure what to say.

    My JW mom called yesterday. I'm still mystified by her not shunning me properly. The strange irony is that she related an anecdote about a DF'd person coming up to her and trying to strike up a conversation. She concluded it must be because she's missed so many meetings that this guy thinks SHE'S DF'd. The NERVE of him! I was actually both annoyed and just plain confused as to how she could relate this tale to her DF'd son without realizing the irony of simultaneously talking to him when there was no business reason to do so.

    She expressed a hope that, when I 'get reinstated', there will be many people who will want to befriend and talk to me. Well, while I enjoy Instant Cocoa Mix, I do not enjoy Instant Friends. I can taste the difference.

    And stranger still? My wife again asked me if I would attend the Memorial! I mean...I understand that a marriage in turmoil can cause people to return to the cult for guidance, but...I'm not a new recruit, I'm a born-in. I'm also a free-thinker now. I just see no reason to support a ceremony that is theologically wrong and supports a blasphemy. Said blasphemy being that mere men can decide for millions who is or is not worthy to partake of Jesus' body and blood. Not to mention that the people there will, by and large, be shunning me on the basis of either (1) fornication that I wasn't practicing anymore even when I got DF'd, or (2) for the belief that Jesus simply would not support a religion so mired in error as this one was in 1919 and is now.

    I was just thinking this morning. Why are they calling it a Memorial? That sounds more like a funeral than a celebration. If indeed, Jesus is alive, which is what makes his death relevant in the first place, why wouldn't they celebrate his coming to life far more? If he didn't come to life, there'd be no way for him to enter heaven with his blood and pay for our sins. He would be a false messiah and just another man, as a dead man. I know what you're thinking. Yeah, he said to proclaim the death of the Lord until he arrives. Not saying you shouldn't do that, if that's your thing. Just saying..."the Memorial" is too somber a title. Stick with "the Lord's evening meal", which at least is a quote from scripture.

    Of course...I was also thinking about religion as a whole, about what some of us do. I respect those who are into it, and I like to throw about Christian discussions sometimes myself, more so in my head than here lately, but all the same nonetheless. I go through my life, and I see nothing spectacular or supernatural, beyond creation itself (and it was created, if you ask me, even if by a series of events and not an intelligent designer, per se). No voices from heaven, no random encounters with angels. What made humans 2,000 or more years ago more worthy of that than any other group of humans? They were no less greedy or violent or noble or virtuous than humans today. That's why there are so few truly great men.

    And then it hit me. Maybe the men and women we tell grand tales about, and even the heroes or gods that are in ancient books--maybe someone just took the raw materials of man himself, flawed as they were, and built stories around those things, and thus the gods were born. Magical, unseen beings who could do what we could not, who could protect us when all seemed lost, who could give us purpose, hope, prosperity. If we lived virtuous lives, even death could be faced with dignity and hope. That perhaps what was buried in the ground was merely a shell or a past self and someday...somewhere...we'd live again. Seeing how hopeless life can feel when confronted with the harsh realities--greed, poverty, senseless violence and suffering--isn't it natural to say, I want to believe there's more to it than this?

    I think of, say, Superman, for instance. The idea that up in the sky is someone watching over us, who will hear our cries for help, and come save us. Even though it's more literal in the case of Superman, I think the psychological premise is the same for religious belief. We feel like we do have the strength to hold on, to do the right thing, because our heroes could. Because Moses could be meek, or because Jesus could stand up for the little guy, maybe I could too, right? And maybe even if the worst happens, one still hopes that someone spectacular will show up, any day now, and save the day.

    It's a good feeling, if you believe it. It would be nice if faith could be rewarded with more than just a need for more of it.

    I see advertisements on the way to work from those folks who believe May 21st is Judgment Day. To them, I say, see you in June. At least now I understand that they're just as misled as I once was. I hope nobody gets too depressed about it once it doesn't happen. It would probably be pretty heartbreaking if you're a true believer.

    Anyway, my wife asked me if I was going to do something by myself for the M--the Lord's evening meal. For me, it seems clear that there's nothing more for me in the realm of religious ritual. I didn't have the heart to tell her that my faith is practically gone now. I figured the JWs were the best Christianity had to offer; I now see that I was gravely mistaken. To assume that either JWs or any Christian form of worship is the 'right' thing to do would only set me up for repeating the errors I grew up buying into.

    I'm not sure of what my purpose here will be. Perhaps it is as Agent Smith said, that "the purpose of life is to end." Even if that's true, today my life still remains. Maybe the purpose of life is to figure out your own purpose. Circular, I suppose, but if you find something that gives you meaning and maybe even helps others, maybe that's good enough.

    Sorry. I get a little introspective and thoughtful sometimes. I'm doing fine, and just taking it one day at a time. Take care.

    --sd-7

  • moshe
    moshe

    Just like following a turbulent brook downstream to the main river, you will soon find the main path you know is the right one for you. Counseling helped me see the right one for me.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Maybe the purpose of life is to figure out your own purpose. Circular, I suppose, but if you find something that gives you meaning and maybe even helps others, maybe that's good enough.

    I hear ya.

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    I will be celebrating the memorial in my own house.

    Do not want Jesus Christ to arrive and find me eating and drinking with the drunkards.

    Yes, I believe a time existed when celebrating the memorial was supposed to be a communal event however, towards the end of this system of things the scriptures seem to indicate a more individual and personal celebration would become necessary:

    Revelation3:19-22

    If it was a communal event then Jesus Christ should have said:

    "‘All those for whom I have affection I reprove and discipline. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me. 21 To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’"

    I will come into their [house] and take the evening meal with them and they with me.

    But he did not say that!

    I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me.

    I think this discernment eludes a great number of people which is probably why Jesus Christ made the careful admonition:

    Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.

    In Christ

    abe

  • clarity
    clarity

    Sd-7,

    Nice to hear from you, glad you're OK.

    There is something about you that I really like. Your humour for one thing... in spite of everything that's going on.

    Glad to hear you are giving your marriage another chance. Most times when we divorce, we only exchange one set of problems for another. Go slow.

    Love that scripture Ablebodiedman -

    "I will come into his [house] and take the evening meal with him and he with me. "

    all the best

    from clarity

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Palm Sunday at that!

    Food for thought, AbleBodiedMan.

    Syl

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    Any chance they'll be serving a fine Pinot Noir or a cabernet? If so, I might decide to go check it out this year.

    When I was a kid they would serve Mogen David (kosher, of course). But I heard that some KHs would just get a bottle of red table wine. I remember that whatever they served smelled heavy and ghastly, at least to a 10-12 year old. They'd always buy about three bottles for the memorial, but only a half-dozen would partake. I wonder why they bought so much?

    JV

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    I wonder why they bought so much?

    The "glorious ones" probably got together later on and held a veritable Bacchanalia.

    Syl

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Dude... Since your marriage is on the rocks, ask her, would it help us if I was there or not. Why does she ask you to come? Maybe she just wants to feel like a family going to a religious event - women are weird creatures of habit and comfort, in case of problems they run to where they feel safe (maybe her parent's house) and try to revert to the time when everything was still good.

    For most JW's, the Memorial, the Meetings, the Conventions is as much "goin' to church" as baptists and catholics. How many do you think actually have a family study instead of the book study and prepare properly for meetings, cut out the TV and all the other things devout Witnesses should do? Trust me, very few. Everybody is most happy on a snow day, some elder bodies even prematurely cancel the meeting once in a while.

    You HAVE to tell her how YOU feel about this and allow her to express HER feelings if you want to save your marriage. Forget about your/her/their mother and those around you as you can see for them it's also just a charade. If SHE wants you to be there for her to feel better and make her feel she has a flying chance at making this work you should go along with her but you should let her know how YOU feel about it in order for it to be reciprocally genuine. For her it might be a special event and there are many 'worldly' husbands in many congregations that come along just for that day but never come to meetings. This does not mean you should compromise or make a big scene but you should also not let your feelings of betrayal get in the way of your relationship.

    On the other hand it might also show her the betrayal you felt depending on your congregation's reaction. Sometimes, people come out of the woodwork and say the weirdest things when you do something unexpected or upset somebody because you are DF'ed and she may see the faintest flicker of light as she sees that people actually don't care for you or her. This event is supposed to be about love and welcoming the new and inactive with open arms (see the KM's article on that) and she may see that not everybody shares that sentiment.

  • scary21
    scary21

    I also think you should go, If that will make her happy. Once a year is not to much to ask. I would go to midnight mass once a year if it was really important to my husband. Can't you agree to disagree about religion? There's so much more to a marriage than that. At least you won't have to make small talk with the JW on that night. lol

    Sherry

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