Jehovahs Witness Suicides

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  • sister x
    sister x

    im noticing that alot of witnesses commit suicide. One sister I knew a few yrs back, in her early 40's, was having marriage problems in the hall for yrs and everyone knew it. They only told her to rely on jehovah and asked the elders for guidance. One day she parked her car in a parking lot and shot herself. She left behind her husband and two teenage girls.

    Another brother in the nieghboring hall choked his mother to death and then killed himself.

    My sister after being molested by a brother in our hall tried to commit suicide twice, but she lived both times.

    And one of my mothers very very dear close friends who was a sister for 30+ yrs killed herself a few yrs back.......

    I see alot of this in the organization... what are your experiences??? and why do you think this is such a problem?? I personally blame it on the organizations control over its members and isolation.....

    Michele

  • doubtful
    doubtful

    I would be interested in seeing some sort of statistics on the proportion of JWs who commit suicide relative to the general population...but from a neutral, UN-BIASED source.

  • jeckle
    jeckle

    Ya me too the whole thing messes with poeple's psyches

  • Igot2bme
    Igot2bme

    I have often wondered this same thing myself. I had been very suicidal off and on throughout my time in the org and had went to others in the congregation for help but I was told to pray to Jehovah, go to more meetings and read more Watchtowers. I had it all planned out, I was going to hang myself in my art studio. The only thing that kept me from doing it was imagining my children coming home from school and discovering my body. If it weren't for my children I wouldn't be here. Within the last 5 years I have known of 6 people who have taken their lives, 4 were baptised and 2 were young men raised in the org. There needs to be more of a concerted effort to help the ones crying out for help from the ones who are in charge of shepherding the flock, such as pointing them in the right direction when they need professional help.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I think some Witnesses believe that if they die before Armageddon that they just might get a resurrection. Suicide then becomes a way out of the painful depression and suffering they experience at teh hands of other JWs

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    doubtful . . . jeckle . . . it's hard to get statistics from ANYONE . . . let alone an UNBIASED source . . . those involved in suicide statistic analysis seldom turn their attention to "named" organisations . . . rather categorised "groups".

    Mental Illness and suicide among JW's is undoubtedly much higher than the general populace. The striking anacdotal evidence at least lends heavy support to this conclusion . . . check this recent thread out . . .

    http://www2.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/209238/1/How-Many-of-Them-Do-You-Know-About

    Additionally, actual numbers are hard to ascertain. JW's are suspicious of main stream medical specialists in dealing with mental illness, and even when seeking professional help, often don't disclose their religious affiliation. Disclosure of religious affiliation is also frequently avoided in suicide cases . . . So as not to reflect poorly on "God's Organisation" you no doubt understand

    Having said all that, www.freeminds.org while not being "unbiased" in a strict sense provides numerous links and articles providing information on this topic. You will find some survey results which have been conducted by "unbiased" researchers.

    Hope this helps.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    This is an interesting study done in Australia. It seems to indicate a higher mental health problem among JWs that the rest of the population. I would suggest reading the whole article, this chart is in the middle.

    statistics can of course be twisted around, but for certain i would say that JWs are at worst, level pegging the rest of society, and thus just as suceptable to suicides as everybody else.

    http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/85.htm

    Admissions for schizophrenia 1973

    Total admissionsAnnual rate per 1,000 populationJehavah's Witnesses admissionsAnnual rate per 1,000 population
    All diagnoses7,5462.54504.17
    Schizophrenia (295)1,8260.61221.83
    Paranoid Schizophrenia (195-3)1,1540.38171.4
    Neurosis (300)1,1820.39100.76
  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    For me personally,

    my feeble attempt at ending my life was not succesful at the end of the day because of my children. I had reached a point where i felt i no longer had a relationship with god and was a totally worthless individual.

    A JW in that frame of mind will find suicide a possible answer because they may no longer care what 'jehovah' thinks, feeling that he has in fact abandoned them anyway.

    What saved me as i slowly suffocated was the realization that my children would have to live with the stigma of my suicide and wondering if they to might inherit some predisposition to depression and suicide. That scared the life back into me and i vowed never to go back to such a dark place.

    The JWs have little or no real support system. Taught to only rely on Elders that are clearly unable to render meaningful aid who are themselves taught to steer the flock away from professional help, it is no surprise that in desperation some kill themselves. The world has lots of support groups and help lines and still struggles to reach all who need them, how much worse it is for the JWs?

    The WT soc is one of the most blood guilty corporations around. Dedicated to only its own growth, it has a policy of not becoming 'involved' in real issues instead choosing to involve itself in all the irrelevant parts of its members lives.

    It will not change

    oz

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    I couldn't find an on-line link to this article so I've pasted an exerpt from it from my MS Word copy . . .

    It's part of an article by Jerry Bergman PhD, titled "Why Jehovah's Witnesses Have Mental Prpblems" . . . many here would have already seen it. Admittedly, Bergman is an ex-witness but I'm told the statistics are reliable. I think you'll see validity in many of the conclusions.

    Anyone wanting a copy PM me and I'll e-mail the whole article.

    Sorry it's so long but it's well worth a read for those interested in this subject.

    .......................................................................................................

    The Rylander StudySwedish psychiatrist Dr. Rylander investigated a sample of conscientious objectors imprisoned in Sweden. Of the 135 randomly selected cases, fully 126 were Witnesses. Of these 126, Rylander diagnosed 51 as neurotic, 42 psychotic, 32 as mentally retarded, and 5 as brain-damaged (some overlap exists because some cases were in two or more categories).[7] Diagnosis was made solely on the basis of behavior that was clearly pathological, such as irrational paranoia or severe long term depression, and not behavior that resulted from following Watchtower doctrine as non-social involvement with the non-Witnesses. Rylander also concluded from the subjects' medical records and his interviews that their pathological state was not uncommonly evident before conversion, but that the Watchtower's' influence was often detrimental to mental health, sometimes severely so.

    About four percent of the eligible armed service Swedish population was judged psychologically "unfit" for military services. The corresponding figure for Witnesses was twenty-one percent, or a rate five times greater. This was very close to the same ratio found by Spencer [8] whose diagnosis of "psychotic" or "neurotic" was made on the basis of mental hospital admission screening. Few of the cases in Rylander's study were marginal Witnesses, and most were actively involved in the Watchtower. Rylander concluded that many of those he studied lacked an education, job skills, emotional stability, and quality social relations. Unsatisfactory employment records often existed because of psychological deficiencies, lack of ability or immaturity. Rylander found that Witnesses committed "...a relatively large number of small crimes and other misdemeanors which generally resulted only in a fine...three [Witnesses] have been imprisoned for stealing or harboring of stolen property, and 36 have been fined for various offenses (traffic violations, drunkenness, unlawful selling of alcohol, poaching, unlawful entering, etc.)" [9]

    Neurotic symptoms commonly found in his sample included "feelings of discomfort, general anxiety, poor sleep habits, times of brooding over what they see as the meaninglessness of life, the wrongs they have suffered and the mistakes they have made." [10] Rylander noted that the Watchtower doctrine helped some adherents to explain "all of their problems in life, and has given them a satisfaction and calmness which has brought a measure of stability to their lives." [11]

    He also concluded that individual Witnesses tended to be burdened with a variety of serious concerns and often joined the sect in an effort to solve their many problems. Although the results of this study are not fully applicable to today's situation, many of his conclusions are still largely true. [12] A major difference between his sample and today is that the Witnesses are now more middle-class and less socially rejected. Many Witnesses, though, especially those living in developing nations, still experience many of the same problems that Rylander reported.


    The First American Study

    Pescor, in the first study on American Witness mental health, diagnosed as psychotic over seven percent of his total sample (n=177) of young males imprisoned due to obeying the Watchtower's prohibition against complying with military regulations.[13] The sample was obtained by interviewing all selective service violators admitted to the Federal prison medical center during the study. The level of Witness psychosis in his sample was about seventeen times higher than that for the population as a whole. A whopping seven percent were diagnosed psychotic, four percent had other mental abnormalities and fully one quarter were rated socially maladjusted. Sixteen percent of Pescor's sample was on hospital status and forty-four percent of these were diagnosed psychotic.

    The demographic characteristics of the Witnesses in the study were as follows: almost half were raised on farms and only thirty-nine percent grew-up in cities of 5,000 or more. About half had some high school education (the median grade achieved was 9.2), and the majority were engaged in agricultural work. The discrepancy between socioeconomic status and I.Q. (the median I.Q. was 101.5) was partly a result of the Watchtower's discouragement of occupational advancement coupled with their stress on the regular study of Watchtower publications, a practice which serves to develop verbal and reading skills.

    Only two percent were judged to have poor work performance and over forty percent took advantage of educational opportunities, mostly correspondence courses offered by the institution. Spanish was the most popular class pursued, presumably so the Witness could serve as a Watchtower missionary when released.


    The Janner Study

    Swiss psychiatrist Janner (1963), examined a random sample of 100 Swiss citizens who were imprisoned because of objection to military service, about eighty-five percent were Jehovah's Witnesses.[14] The study found a significant number of Witnesses showed one or more of the following symptoms: high level of fear anxiety, severe neuroticism, introversion and/or social isolation tendencies. Janner [15] concluded that the Witnesses were generally "somewhat removed from reality, although some demonstrated intense religious feeling." As found in other studies, the majority of the Witnesses in his sample were unskilled or semi-skilled workers.

    His research revealed a whopping 10.4 percent of the Witnesses had previous criminal convictions, about half of which were for sexual offenses, mostly pedophilia and exhibitionism. The rest of the criminal connections were for minor property or person offenses. He did not compare the mental illness rate of Jehovah's Witnesses to the population as a whole, but concluded that the rate among Witnesses was far higher than the rate among non-Witnesses. The Watchtower influence was often not positive, and there was no evidence that it had in the long run helped those who had emotional problems when they joined. Evidence was found, though, that the Watchtower had an adverse effect on many regardless of their adjustment level when they became involved.


    Spencer's Research

    Spencer, an Australian psychiatrist, examined the records of all admissions to Western Australia psychiatric hospitals from January, 1971 to December, 1973.[16] He located fifty cases that, according to the patients' own admission, were active Jehovah's Witnesses. Spencer concluded that the rate of serious mental illness among this group was three times higher than that of non-Witnesses, and the diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia was fully four times higher. A reason that Spencer's statistics are probably low is that Witnesses are prone to avoid psychiatric treatment and, especially, institutionalization.[17] The Watchtower, like many cultic movements, is very critical of both the mental health profession and most non-medical professional therapy.[18] The official Witness teaching is that the decision to visit a psychiatrist is up to one's conscience, but the undertone in most of their literature is strongly opposed to all types of professional mental health help.[19] The typical Witness believes that it is either very foolish or blatantly wrong to rely on the advice of a secular mental health therapist.[20]


    Other Research Studies

    Licensed therapist Montague monitored the admissions to state and private mental hospitals, and local mental health clinics in Ohio from 1972 to 1986.[21] From this data (n=102) he estimated that "The mental illness rate of JW's is approximately 10 to 16 times higher than the rate for the general, non-Witness population [and that]...about 10% of the publishers (full members) in the average congregation are in serious need of professional help...[although they are often] able to hide this fact quite well, especially from outsiders." [22] From his intensive interviews with Witness patients and others, Montague concluded that persons who had emotional problems were attracted to the Witnesses but Watchtower involvement also caused many of the emotional problems that they suffered. This is evident from the fact that many with problems reported they were far happier after they left.

    Another study was completed by Potter [23] as part of his Ph.D. thesis on religion and mental health. He concluded that there exists "a strong positive correlation between Witness membership and clinical schizophrenia." In yet another Ph.D. dissertation, Sack evaluated the effect of religion on the mental health of select clients.[24] Although the case study method was utilized, many of the same conclusions were reached as found in the above studies, and in many ways her research compliments the present study. The clients she utilized had an enormous amount of insight into the pathological processes of the Watchtower and similar sects, and her study is well worth reading.

    In addition, a German study by Elmer Koppl [25] also came to similar conclusions as did a study by Norwegian psychologist, Kjell Totland [26] Using Oakland County court records from 1965 to 1973, Bergman concluded that not only is the mental illness rate above average, but the suicide and crime rates are also high, especially aggressive crimes against persons [27] This is the extent of published empirical studies about the mental health of Jehovah's Witnesses, an area in which a need exists for more research.


    The Validity Of These Studies

    The above studies may have under reported the level of Witness mental illness because of sampling problems. A major flaw with the military research studies is that many seriously psychotic Witnesses would have a history of hospitalization, and thus would likely have had a medical deferment. In the States, only those who have passed the required physical would be imprisoned because of refusing to obey the selective service law. If these cases were included, the rate would be higher than that which both Pescor and Rylander found.

    It is possible that some Witnesses feigned mental illness in order to be released from prison, thereby inflating the rate. Conversely, faking mental problems generally would not result in prison release, but in reassignment to hospital status within the institution. Although hospital assignment may be a more desirable placement within the prison, the negative feeling that our culture has about the mentally ill would encourage faking physical, not mental problems. On the other hand, some Witnesses may have violated Watchtower teachings and selected alternative service. Those who did may be better adjusted because of the tendency for the more maladjusted Witnesses to rigidly cling to the Watchtower and all of its teachings.[28]

    The mental hospital studies also likely under-reported the level of Witness mental illness. Spencer had to rely on self-reporting, and it is possible that many Witness patients did not reveal their true religious affiliation. Those who are forced to seek psychiatric services are often reluctant to admit their Witness involvement.[29] Many have written on their hospital forms "Protestant" or even "none" instead of their true religious affiliation.[30]

    Jehovah's Witnesses who have mental difficulties are typically ashamed of them because they often believe good Witnesses do not become mentally ill. Due to the fear that their illness may bring reproach upon the Watchtower, they not uncommonly are not open with a therapist or researcher about their problems. Often they will undergo intense suffering to protect the Watchtower reputation. [31] When a Witness becomes "mentally ill," regardless of the reason, much personal guilt results because of the belief that faithfulness to the Watchtower will usually protect one from emotional problems. Witnesses often believe that mental problems are evidence of personal shortcomings that are usually religious in nature. Active Witnesses are instructed to believe that "if I am not happy, I must not be pleasing God or doing what God desires of me" as interpreted by the Watchtower [32]

    The Watchtower often stress Scriptures such as Psalms 128:1-2 which state, "Happy is everyone fearing Jehovah...[and] walking in His ways...happy you will be and it will be well with you." [33] Verses such as this are used to conclude that their unhappiness is a result of displeasing God; therefore, the cause of mental problems must be their personal shortcomings. This belief only further intensifies their guilt and, ironically, in an effort to solve emotional unbalance, they increase their loyalty to what they believe is God's only true organization. They often reason that "the organization is right; therefore, I must be wrong." Thus, a Witness who has been active for many years commonly believes that Jehovah's Witnesses are as a whole a happy people and, "as I am not, I must not be a good Witness."

    Many persons raised around the influence of the Witnesses (especially during their formative years) who leave as adults often remain largely Witness in belief.[34] And these persons are usually no longer included in the Witnesses mental illness statistics. Montague concluded that, although those persons who remain involved often have more emotional problems than those who depart, Witnesses who suffer from severe mental illness tend to be forced out.[35] Those who are obviously psychotic are commonly made to feel unwelcome due to the common conclusion by Witnesses that they are either "demonized," or not fully committed Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    After the elders destroyed three relationships of mine while I was a teenager, the third being the worst, I was a total basket-case. She ended up getting pregnant by the PO's Ministerial Servant son a week after we broke up. So I went out "into the world" at 19 and married a Catholic woman that I wasn't in love with. Thirteen years later, my mother was still sending me the WT rags, but I never read them and piled them into a box. The box spilled over while cleaning the house one day, while my wife was pregnant with our second son. This was not planned, as she knew I had one foot out the door and thought a daughter would keep me around. I saw the ex-girlfriend on the cover of one of the Watchtowers with the guy, who was now an elder, and their two kids, in one of those nauseating "new system" picnic scenes. I came thisclose to blowing my brains out, on Thanksgiving Day, 1992. The only thing that stopped me was the thought of my 4-year old son, who was my entire life, being deprived of his dad. It was that day that I decided to divorce her. It's been a long road from there, and I just took my son out drinking for the first time, to celebrate him graduating college next month with two degrees and a career waiting for him.

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