Awake! article on social networking

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  • undercover
    undercover

    Someone pointed me to the July Awake! article that has an article on social networking. (I don't have time to scan and post. I'm sure someone will acommodate)

    All in all, it was pretty fair and balanced for a WT article. Of course it is the Awake! so I know it's meant to be more easily digested by the public.

    Which brings me to my question...

    Wasn't social networking pretty well damned at the special elder's school? Seems like there were some threads on that. What say you, inside elders? Was the info at the elder's meeting as fair as this Awake! article?

  • Atlantis
  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    Hey UC, I was checking my email before I ran out the door, and I noticed your thread and your question about the elder school and social networking. Here's the post I did regarding that subject from a few months back. I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but I copied and pasted it all. There's some other things within it that I imagine you'll want to filter out for the sake of keeping this thread on topic. I wish everyone on JWN well, have a good night everybody!!!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/204237/6/Some-observations-from-the-KM-Elder-School-I-wanted-to-share-with-you

    I'm about to hit the sack, but I wanted to post this before doing so. These notes that I'm going to relay to you are in relation to the talk titled, Do All Things For God's Glory. Usually when you read or hear the verse where the title of that outline came from , which is 1 Cor 10:31, you tend to apply it to recreation. However in this particular case, he discussed more than simply recreation.

    You could categorize this discourse as the How To Treat A Disfellowshipped Relative special talk. The grand puba did this talk as well. He started off by displaying empathy on behalf of the JWs who have DFd loved ones. He made it clear to the audience that it wasn't there fault why ones get DF'd or DA'd. He then made two strong statements. 1# Emotions cloud our judgement and that we should not be so unreasonable that we begin to associate freely with those who're DFd or DA'd. #2 He stated that active JWs in good standing have to come to the realization that the DFd relative "turned their back on Jehovah", also, "They no longer want to serve Jehovah." I'm under the impression that he didn't mention anything about the organization at this point, so that people wouldn't correlate that serving Jehovah is essentially serving the organization, primarily the faithful and discreet slave class. He went on to expound upon 1 Corinthians 10:31 where it states, "whether eating or drinking, or whatever you do, do all things for the glory of God." This is where it gets interesting.

    Acording to the Grand Puba, communicating via social networks on the internet, "does not bring praise to Jehovah." Further if we're communicating with DF'd or DA'd ones online via these social gathering websites, then we're going against the direction of Jehovah and his faithful and discreet slave. He then read 1 Cor 5:11 which speaks on "not even eating with such a man." He used 2 John 10 which goes, "never recieve him into your homes, or say a greeting to him." He stated that these verse support having the absolute minimal contact with DFd or DAd relatives. He referenced the God's Love book pages 207-209 where he reiterated that strict avoidance of known wrongdoers should be maintained. He also referenced the August 2002 Kingdom Ministry, page 4, paragraphs 10, 11. The grand puba stated that if any elder allows a disfelloshipped family member such as a son or a father to stay with them for whatever reason, the elder body needs to review that elder's qualifications. He referenced the God's Love book pages 207-209, and the KM August 2002 page 4.

    He then dug down, hard and heavy on social networking. He stated we should have a balanced view when it comes to these activities. He stated that people communicating online in many cases reflect the shameless attitudes found in the world. The time spent online communicating can choke out spiritual activities, not to mention the bad association found in online social networking sites. At this point he relayed a recent judical investigation , or maybe I should say multiple judicial investigations, which many of had produced 3-man judicial committees. Apparently there had been recently a large unchaperoned JW gathering that was organized online somehow. Supposedly drug use, excessive alcohol, underage drinking, and fornication were prevelant at these gatherings. He stated that, and get this.............51 congregations, 14 circuits in 4 different states were involved in this gathering that went awry. 100 young ones were inplicated.

    Now this is what made me laugh, I personally found what I'm about to type to be one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard, not to mention what you're about the read seemed like an authentic account. Apparently when the judicial investigative committees were playing Law & Order on the young JWs associated with this gathering, technology bit the elders in the booty. They didn't get to implicate and investigate as many as they wanted to because get this........the young JWs who were interrogated first, went online and communicated to others to be cautious as an investigation is underway. As a result the informed younger JWs took steps to avoid any potential judicial committees. Once again the internet is hurting the WT in ways beyond their scope and reach.

    The Grand puba then stated,"Elders have the right to monitor the entertainment choices of others and have been designated that authority by the faithful and discreet slave."

    One last thing I wanted to share with you before I hit to sack, and I'm really ready to pass out!! You remember that fiasco a year or so back about the WT making it clear that don't authorize or promote sites regarding the WT or JWs? You remember, websites that posted the daily text, or answers to the oral review, or kingdom hall meeting times, or any random pro WT/JW website? The Grand Puba stated that none of these websites are necessary or needed. All we need is what we get from the faithful and discreet slave. He then called the faithful and discreet slave, and I kid you not, he called the faithful and discreet slave...........The Supreme Court. He did that for illustration purposes, but it still left me with my mouth on my lap. He stated that orders have come done from on high regarding these websites and our association with DFd relatives and friends. He partially concluded by saying that in regards to 1 Cor 10:31, that many are failing in that regard. So we're failing when it comes to praising Jehovah, especially when not following the admonition provided by the faithful and discreet slave.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Keep in mind that you may be observing two different factions within the Organization, expressing their viewpoints.

    You have the Service Department ( hard core fascist SS officers) and you have the Writing Department ( sometimes, the liberal wing of the Organization, as in the 1980's, etc.). There were plain differences in their approach to 'recovered memories' and wife beating, for example.

    In addition, the Awake is forced to present "Truth Lite" - a watered down version of what Witnesses actually believe and do, so that the public doesn't get the notion that Witnesses are part of a sick cult ( the correct conclusion).

    The Watchtower is increasingly dependent upon an almost secret 'oral law' not unlike the condemned Jewish hypocrites of Jesus' day. They tell the real truth when they feel safe behind closed doors - and can annotate their elders books in personal handwriting, as directed from the stage.

    The amusing thing is, that most Witnesses have become immune to their nuanced "suggestions" (i.e. hard commandments). Without the elders to transmit the "oral law" - delivered confidentially - their domination of the congregations will fail.

    metatron

  • undercover
    undercover

    BTTT

    Thanks Atlantis for posting the article

    Thanks George for your notes. That was the thread I was remembering...

    Metatron said: Keep in mind that you may be observing two different factions within the Organization, expressing their viewpoints.

    It seems that a lot of WT articles/talks seem to almost contradict themselves. At least articles like this one give more liberal JWs some written defense. Though a hard-liner elder will rely on the "wisdom" from the elder's school or a particularly hard-hitting WT article.

    I remember getting into an argument with my parents over a particular situation that they were convinced was not WT approved. I had my WT references and they had their WT references. It was a stalemate because each of us had God's Channel to back us up.

  • poopsiecakes
    poopsiecakes

    Looks like In the Next "Young People Ask..." is where the hammer will come down. Classic. They start by presenting something balanced but you already know that they'll follow it up by implying what 'true christians' will do with the information. And round and round we go.

    *pokes Undercover

  • undercover
    undercover
    They start by presenting something balanced but you already know that they'll follow it up by implying what 'true christians' will do with the information. And round and round we go.

    I thought about that after I posted the thread yesterday. A nice article on the pros/cons of social networking without coming out and damning the use of it. Yet part 2 will talk about "friendships" and "reputations". Should be interesting how this article is written. I'm sure that it will end with the logic of "if it presents any danger, why bother using it".

    *pokes Poopsie

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Good mornin' UC,

    I know it ain't in the postin' guidelines, but should you really

    go all around the board "pokin" women ????

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    UC thanks for a great post.

    I loved where you said (It seems that a lot of WT articles/talks seem to almost contradict themselves. At least articles like this one give more liberal JWs some written defense. Though a hard-liner elder will rely on the "wisdom" from the elder's school or a particularly hard-hitting WT article.

    I remember getting into an argument with my parents over a particular situation that they were convinced was not WT approved. I had my WT references and they had their WT references. It was a stalemate because each of us had God's Channel to back us up.)

    UC my husband and I go around and around like that all the time where I can prove to him one thing from the WT references then he can prove something different, useally he agrees with me that they flip from one side to another but he said it is like a big puzzle that we have to put together for ourselves.

    I am like why is the religion a puzzle, why not just say what you mean in the frist place. I swear they do this all on purpose to make the ones who have a brain crazy.

    LITS

  • undercover
    undercover
    ...should you really go all around the board "pokin" women ????

    Only those that want it...

    LITS - yes, it'll drive ya crazy trying to "reason" with a dub. Even when you can show them from a WT article the proof of your assertion, they'll fall back to "wait on Jehovah" or "new light" or some other cult buzzword/phrase that effectively ends any possibility of logical debate/discussion.

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