THE OSAMA ENIGMA! THE NECKBEARD THEORY THAT IS SURE TO ANGER SHEEPLE.

by NeckBeard 62 Replies latest social current

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  Aussie Oz

  All i am trying to do is demonstrate that unless the United States is willing or able to provide the world with a body debate will rage and other possibilities must always be just that, possible.

  without the body, Bin Laden will go down in history alongside JFK, Marylin Monroe, the moon landing and Elvis.

  I actually feel that my theory and beliefs are just as 'plausible' as the simple version many people prefer. Many have similar views that can be made to fit the current political agenda's and climate of the world.

  It is very possible that he was dead long ago and the news not used till politicaly advantagous. It is equally possible that they just got him too. But we will never know because the body is missing!

  In my world view, i consider both what is plausable and what is possible, but more, what is fact.

  Thats how i approached my becoming apostate and thats how i approach the world. Give me proof!!

  I'm not accusing anybody of being an idiot either! please dont label me one! just some healthy debate. anyway, i have to take Elvis his supper now before i go to bed ok...

  oz

  wife is calling me to bed... and off i willingly go!!
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  iknowall558

  I was that hairdresser and I've got the used bottle of dye, the hair follicle with the funny bulbous bit at the end (for DNA porposes) and and a signed statement from the man providing reasons why he thought he was "worth it" any takers?.
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  sammielee24

  No body no proof...

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  I'm not claiming any die hard belief one way or the other but I fully understand where Aussie is coming from. I find it amazing that there are atheists who disbelieve the bible because there is no 'proof'..and then who believe a guy is dead without any 'proof'. It's interesting isn't it? How people choose to believe in things.

  Osama being dead now is just tying up loose ends...he could have been dead years ago and stopped a lot of other deaths and I tend to believe that everyone knew where he was for years.

  Part of a democratic society is a belief in certain freedoms...certain justice. He could have been taken alive any time during those years and put on trial anywhere in the world...we wouldn't have had to waterboard him for intel ..now he is a legend, a mythical figure who can live on forever in glory for half the world. For all these years he had been relegated to almost nothing but now he has poked the sleeping giant in the eye....if he was killed it could have been done quietly and without fanfare, instead it has become a rah-rah moment and one has to ask for what reason. If you were told last week that he had actually died 7 years ago - a whimper...if instead of an execution you had heard he died from kidney failure...a whimper...only now do we flash our achievement around the world that we 'got the most evil one' by force and violence ..and that has spiked the hornests nest.

  Timing is everything....sammies
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  rebel8

  If the OP would just go through his claims, one by one, and provide a link to evidence, that would be great. Could you start with "next to a military base"?

  Let's get down to brass tacks--skip the clip art, name calling, exclamation points, and diversions to different topics...and just number the points and provide proof for each one.

  I find it amazing that there are atheists who disbelieve the bible because there is no 'proof'..and then who believe a guy is dead without any 'proof'.

  Not exactly "without any proof" though, and there was a body. If the body was saved for a few days before being put in the ground, no difference. I would have never seen it either way.

  I believe he's dead because I consider it to be the most plausible of all schools of thought. However, as a skeptic, I understand I could be wrong. I don't accept my assumptions on blind faith and stick to them when disconfirming proof arises--I re-examine my premises.

  We don't know if there ever was an Osama, if he lived in our time, if he died, and when he died...because we weren't there.
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  bohm

  sammies,

  " I'm not claiming any die hard belief one way or the other"

  nor am i. i am simply pointing out that the official explanation is the simpler and fit the evidence very well.

  I find it amazing that there are atheists who disbelieve the bible because there is no 'proof'..and then who believe a guy is dead without any 'proof'.

  meanwhile, it does not bother you AT ALL the idea of a huge conspiracy is being thrown around with no supporting evidence? not all ideas are equal and equating bin ladens death with the existence of a brainless intelligence is not somewhere we need to go. I dont believe there are spacepigs on mars and i am quite happy to say that without evidence.

  Also there is evidence: They took his DNA, they got videotapes, etc.

  if you say these things could be "made up" then yes, sure! but thats just a retreat to the possible, and YOU need to provide evidence. otherwise you are not doing any better than creationists who say or imply scientists are lying about the evidence for evolution.

  Osama being dead now is just tying up loose ends...he could have been dead years ago and stopped a lot of other deaths and I tend to believe that everyone knew where he was for years.

  speculation not based on anything and a retreat to the possible. heck, your two speculations are mutually exclusive!

  Part of a democratic society is a belief in certain freedoms...certain justice. He could have been taken alive any time during those years and put on trial anywhere in the world..

  I agree it would have been the better solution to put him in a cage in geneva, but its not like i care a whole lot. on the flipside, if he was caught, there would have been kidnappings and so on demanding he be released.

  UPDATED: Removed a sentence due to a misread of your post.
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  sammielee24

  meanwhile, it does not bother you AT ALL the idea of a huge conspiracy is being thrown around with no supporting evidence?

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  No - because I sit in the middle.

  I believed he was either dead or being harbored somewhere for many years. The fact that Obama comes out NOW and tells me he died in a violent gun fight - changes that story to him being unarmed - changes that story to him possibly being near a gun...well, those aren't facts to me. They are just stories - facts aren't changing every minute of the day when you know exactly what you did.

  It isn't a conspiracy to question the official story - it's a question as to the authenticity of the story and those that tell it.

  Again, I go back to the glory parade.

  Was it necessary for Obama to promote himself and the USA on the neck of an execution of what was according to them, the most evil man in the world, when in fact, a quiet notification of death without the party, would have sufficed and may even have meant riling up the others less? I question why now? Why the manner of notification? There is always a reason. Do we feel better filling the media screens around the world non stop with people parading in the streets over the killing of Osama, with stories of blowing his head off and showing video afte video of blood stained carpets to prove that violence and death occurred? Are we doing it so we can show terrorists around the world that we too can be violent, we too can spill blood? Those aren't conspiracies - just questions...and people should question.

  To me his death doesn't change my daily existence. I don't believe it will stop any terrorist activity. I believe it may bring closure to those that need it.

  I don't believe the onus is on me to prove anything - if you can't prove your story to me, especially if you keep changing the story, you should expect disbelief. If you tell me you went out for lunch with a friend and I ask you what you had to eat and you tell me a burger at Bobs...and then later tell me you had Pizza at the Palace...and then later with other friends you talk about the great lunch you had at the Grand Sushi restaurant...well, I don't have to prove anything..but I'm probably sitting there thinking quietly that you are lying for some reason or another - and that always leads to the question of - why would you lie about where and what you ate for lunch? sammies
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  flipper

  If anybody wants to read my views- I posted them on Snowbird's thread dealing with " no body ". Look, to be brief- I DO hope they got this guy. But until I see a picture of his body , or video of his body being carted out, I agree with Aussie OZ that it's just another Kennedy, Marilyn, or any OTHER famous death that the powers above have tried to DESCRIBE HOW these people died. There is plenty of doubt that Kennedy was assanitated with one bullet, plenty of doubt Marilyn committed suicide, was probably murdered, but in the American media things are just swept under the rug and Americans are to accept ANY conclusion given to them based on " faith " that the government is shooting straight with us an telling the truth.

  Think about it people - We were told Saddam had weapons of mass destruction which justified attacking Iraq and taking Saddam out. We know what the REAL truth was- no weapons of mass destruction. Yet hundreds of thousands of young American lives and Iraq citizens lives were lost. Was it worth it ? Apparently to the U.S. it was because they received more access to oil over there now.

  Point I'm making is we have to think critically and read between the lines and not be " sheeple " like we were as Jehovah's Witnesses. There is nothing wrong with expecting our American government to come clean and be forthcoming with pictures of a dead Bin Laden which would put conspiracy theories to rest an at the same time give closure to 3,000 9-11 victims relatives who are still living. Until I see that- I will be assuming the U.S. government has something to hide. And that's just plain common sense
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  Satanus

  These things are getting to be like the nebulous war in the book 1984. News of what's happening in the wars is gathered and vetted, then filtered and spun, and finally disseminated. Is it real? Who knows.

  S
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  SixofNine

  " ... and be forthcoming with pictures of a dead Bin Laden which would put conspiracy theories to rest "

  How? You'd just say it was faked. And out of all the wild speculation of improbable events, THAT would be the thing most easy to pull off.
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  awaken2004

  I agree with Bohm if Osama was captured and tried it would have done more harm than good. More innocent people would have died. Then we would have all be standing around asking why didn't we just kill him right when they found him.

  I believe they found and killed him. How could this be a conspiracy that works in favor of the democrats? Are you saying Bush knew where he had been all these years? If that were true he would have produced him during the elections to get another Republican in the WH.