by Terry 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
It has to be clearly understood that all Pyramids not just the great Pyramid of Giza were built totally separate from
the spiritual practices of the ancient Judeans. They were wholly built as places of transcendence to the spiritual realm of
the Egyptian Pharaohs. The Great Pyramid of Giza was built for Pharaoh Khufu as an example.
http://www.preservedwords.com/disptruth/chap32-pv.htm
The above link gives a stiring discussion on pyramidology and how to calculate several scientific thoughts and ideas. The distance to the moon, how to perfectly square a circle. The formulation for py? This information is in a book that predates 1914 and I wonder if CTR may have held similar views which caused him to believe the pyramids contained "Secret Knowledge" There are, however, some seemingly fascinating things that the author brings to his audience.
Never mind Russell--I think the 1991 UN involvement is much more damning. At least they can write off past spiritism as "old light", as they did with Christmas celebrations. The UN came after they bashed that organization as Satan's harlot, and they cannot explain that away so easily.
To me, the great importance attached to Pyramidology back in the day is illustrative of the KIND OF MIND and THINKING which started
this wacky religious cult.
Both the Chart of the Ages and the Pyramid calculations are so emphatically cultish modern day JW's can't escape from acknowledging it.
That is, if you confront them with it!
But, by allowing them to marginalize the issue with a chuckle and a wave of the hand they get of Scot free!
The "a little leaven ferments the whole lump" standard which JW's hold OTHER DENOMINATIONS up to should be used against them as well.
Christendom has this and that which pollutes it with false worship? Okay, Jehovahs Witnesses FOUNDATION is Pyramidology!
Who wins that pissing contest?
Crap is crap.
You can ask a modern day JW the following question: "If Pyramid calculations pointed to 1914 and Pyramidology is satanic (Rutherford's words) then why is Satan giving the same date as today's Watchtower?"
Terry Good points!
The modern day Bible Students believe that the Watchtower went into apostacy under Rutherford (the evil servant) but actually Russell was apostate (according to christendom) from the beginning, especially with these occultic views i.e. pyrmidology.
The cluster of true believers around a central charismatic figure never works for humanity or sanity.
You can't DO THAT and be a functioning human individual with a brain and a personality which is your own.
You just can't.
It is obvious from the comments being made that there has been no real "in-depth" examination of the study of the Great Pyramid, but only a few remarks given to mislead and influence others away from any actual "in-depth" study of God's Stone Witness in Egypt.
In ancient times the easiest way to measure things was to use the most convenient measuring tools available that anybody could afford to own: your OWN BODY PARTS!
Yes, Yahweh, of course, has no use for measuring things with body parts. Yahweh knew that diameter of the earth between its two poles. Although there is a general assumption that a cubit was originally the length of a person's forearm, there is no indication that Noah was told to use any part of his body for measurment.
1.Had a unit of measurement accurate within one-ten millionth of an inch.
Whether the ancient Egyptians knew of this measure or not is irrelevant, as God knew measurement of the earth. Evidently, the measurement was known amongst the Hebrews, and the Egyptians, having been descendants of Noah, would probably also know of the measurement. It would not be necessary, however, for either the Hebrews or the Egyptians to know the significance behind the measurment.
2.Had knowledge of the earth's radius
Again, no, the ancient builders did not need know of the earth's radius. God, of course, knows the earth's radius, and its diameter.
3.Had the physical means to trim sandstone with one ten-millionth of that inch.
Again, whatever "abilities" that were needed by the builders could certainly be supplied by the Creator of the earth.
4.Erected a stone edifice whose SOLE INTENTION was to inform Charles Taze Russell that his Divine Plan of the Ages had the correct time alignment with history!!!
This conclusion is obviously inaccurate, and is stated simply to leave one with a false impression, since the Great Pyramid displays much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, more than just a corroboration of the chronology that Russell adopted from Barbour, who, in turn, had adopted the chronology of Christopher Bowen. Russell himself, however focused on corroboration of the chronology by the measurements of the Great Pyramid. John and Morton Edgar presented a tremendous amount of other information.
See the works of the Edgars:
See Charles Redeker's
The Confirmation of True Bible Chronology
http://www.biblestudents.net/library/truebiblechronology.pdf
607 B.C.E. has as much scientific actuality as the Pyramid Inch of Charles Taze Russell.
I believe the the phrase "pryamid inch" is misleading; I believe "earth inch" would be more correct. Many refer to this inch as the "sacred inch". Nevertheless, this "inch" did not originate with Charles Taze Russell. The discovery in recent times of this inch is usually attributed to Sir Isaac Newton, long before Russell was ever born. Nevertheless, Newton himself showed that this form of measurement was known long before himself.
http://truthmatters.info/2011/01/25/sir-isaac-newton-the-25-inch-sacred-cubit-and-noahs-ark/
Charles Taze Russell was forced out of necessity to use charts (Divine Plan of the Ages) and Great Pyramid speculations to PROVE his theology.
No, I have absolutely no reason at all to think that Charles Taze Russell (or Barbour) was forced out of necessity to use charts (Divine Plan of the Ages) and the Great Pyramid to PROVE his theology. This is totally ridiculous! Russell did use the Chart of the Ages as a means to illustrate the various features of the God's Divine Plan as presented in the Bible. Was he forced out of necessity to do so? Absolutely NOT! The Chart of the Ages is simply an aid to help to the reader see an application of the scriptures to the various time elements of God's purposes.
It was evidently Barbour, or someone associated with Barbour, who first presented the measurements of the Great Pyramid as corroboration of the Biblical chronology. Was Barbour forced out of necessity to use them? Absolutely NOT! He already had an abundance of evidence from the Bible itself.
Russell adopted Barbour's conclusions in the year 1876; over the years Russell rejected some of Barbour's conclusions, but not the overall chronology. The GP, however, is only a very, very, very, very small amount of the evidence supporting the chronology.
What most people don't know is that after he got the approval, Russell CHANGED his computations and printed the Thumb's Up AS THOUGH the new figures had been reviewed.
See:
http://mostholyfaith.com/bible/volumes/C10.asp
I have no reason to think that the text sent to Smyth did not contain the same text as appeared in the Studies. I could not find any verification that the text sent to Smythe was different from the text that appeared in the Studies.
I assume that this is concerning the measurement given by Russell of the floor of the descending passageway, since all of the other measurments are the same as that of Smyth. As far as I know, Smyth had the text in which Russell wrote concerning the descending passageway, and that text was what originally appeared in the THY KINGDOM COME.
The problem concerning the decending passageway was that Smyth did not take a measurement of the floor, but of the ceiling. A floor measurement could not be taken since the passageway was filled with debris. Probably Barbour or Russell, or someone else associated with them, tried to use Smyth's ceiling measurements and project those measurements down to the floor. It was not until 1909 that the debris was removed and an actual measurement of the floor was taken.
It was not until 1905 that Russell changed his understanding of the measurement as given for the descending passageway. Of course, Smyth had died a few years earlier, and he could not be consulted concerning that change. It appears that Russell, or someone associated with Russell, had come up with evidence of a different measurement for the floor of the descending passageway. Russell sought to the correct this in the 1905 edition of THY KINGDOM COME; he failed to note, however, that the letter from Smyth would not apply to the new calculation, and such a thought probably never crossed his mind.
Indeed, in 1904 Russell changed his viewpoint concerning the beginning of the time of trouble. He had before 1904 thought that the time of trouble was to end, not begin, in 1914, which thought he had adopted from Barbour. In 1904, he adopted the view held by some of his associates that the time of trouble was to begin, not end in 1914. Although a few changes were made to reflect that 1904 change of view in the Scripture Studies, no exhaustive overhaul of the Studies was ever attempted, so that, unless one is aware of the history, some statements in the Studies as he left in them in 1916 may seem to be confusing to some.
Many have made much ado over this, and evidently either being ignorant of the situation, or deliberately desiring to mislead others, have misepresented this matter, leaving the implication that Russell was willfully misleading others.
See:
1904 and Russell's Changes in the Studies in the Scriptures
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=692
It is obvious from the comments being made that there has been no real "in-depth" examination of the study of the Great Pyramid, but only a few remarks given to mislead and influence others away from any actual "in-depth" study of God's Stone Witness in Egypt.
In-depth, thats most likely because there isn't any outside what is taught in Universities around the world concerning ancient Egyptian cultural studies.
As far as the actual Pyramid(s) the most notable is the Egyptians were capable of taking four side of a square and brought all four sides to centering
point, thats the most monumental achievement, especially given what time in human era they were constructed.
I know Reslight2 you go to every University that you come across that teaches about ancient Egyptian culture and you straiten them out on your
acquired wisdom about the Pyramids, I'm sure they will appreciate it.
I would heartily suggest you read this article because it covers a great amy details I did not have the patience to go into.
PYRAMIDOLOGY
Terry,
It doesn't matter what Russell said, even though Jehovah chose him after nearly 2000 years of searching for the perfect soul to represent the one and only true God to represent Him.
Joseph Franklin Rutherford said that Russell's ideas about the pyramid were bullshit, so we can toss Volume III of Studies in the Scriptures in the toilet where it belonged in the first place. Rutherford had NEW bullshit to replace the old bullshit and now all of HIS bullshit has been tossed into the toilet into the toilet where it belonged in the first place. Then Nathan Knorr and his toadie Freddie Franz came up with even NEWER bullshit which was tossed into the toilet where it belonged in the first place. None of the writings of any of those icons of Watchtower History is currently in print.
Of course not. They are in the toilet.
Where they belonged in the first place.
There is brand NEW bullshit now.
Which will soon enough be tossed in the toilet.
Where it belonged in the first place.
And after that, even more NEW bullshit will come...
Which will soon be tossed into the....
Well, you get the picture...
Farkel
