I don't condone the Russian authorities for their intolerant stance anymore than I do the JW's for theirs.
Both are wrong!!
Had the magazines left at my house today and wanted to "SCREAM" after reading this article in the May 1,2011 WT
by StoneWall 39 Replies latest watchtower bible
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punkofnice
I guess the GB are keen to use Russia to validate their persecution complex and to pass this paranoia to the drones.
Proof positive the end is.......SOON! (Subject to overlapping).
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AZheat
It says in the tract that they can visit a website www.jw-russia.org, where they can learn the entire history of JW's in Russia, how about posting a website that shows the entire history of JW's as an organization, not just in Russia ? I guess if they did that then they would have to admit to false teachings and propaganda over the decades. Wait a second, they never admit to that, what am I saying. It never happened, so dont even ask , or question it.. The Russian authorities have got it right..!! Das Vdanja..
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ablebodiedman
A governments responsibilty is to protect its society.
The very backbone of all human societies is the family.
Perhaps the Russians have realised the terrible and very overwhelming damage being done to once wholesome family units all over the world by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Societies doctrines.
The societies which, the government is supposed to protect, is being insidiously undermined by lies and injustices in the name of "Religious Freedom".
I think any government is well within its right to protect the society it is supposed to govern.
If an organization came into my country and destroyed hundreds of thousands of families I would consider it an enemy of the society I was mandated to protect.
I would not consider them to be "A Peaceable People" after surveying the tremendous amount of damage done to my society and all other societies around the world. I do not think anyone should be "free" to destroy society through shattering once wholesome family units who are residing in it. In my opinion there is no "Good Name" to protect.
Instead, God's name, Jehovah, is being profaned.
I do not know however, if that is the reason for the Russian opposition to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Try this using Google:
Jehovah's Witness Destroyed Family
One Million Five Hundred and Thirty Thousand Results!
Thats just in the English Language.
Keep in mind that there are about two million English speaking Jehovah's Witnesses.
So for every one of Jehovah's Witnesses is one and a half families being destroyed?
That is just one search criteria using the word "Destroyed".
What if we used the word "Shattered" instead.
Jehovah's Witness Shattered Family
One Hundred and Fourteen Thousand Results!
How about the word "Broken".
Jehovah's Witness Broken Family
Fifty Eight Thousand Results!
How about the word "Ruined".
Jehovah's Witness Ruined Family
One Million One Hundered and Sixty Thousand results!
Millions of families destroyed. Whats "Peacable" about that?
Perhaps the Russian Government has done the math?
There is plenty of reason for every government to seriously consider this and take steps to protect their society.
In Christ
abe
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Gayle
It seems like in cultures and countries, many families though connected are so much more independent on each other. Housing, jobs, health care for older people and ill relatives, and babysitting extended family, etc. are taken care of independently many of possibly because of the financial/economic structure. This has been the way it has been in the U.S., Canada, parts of Europe. (Maybe stereotyping many of the Causcasion ethnic?) Is it possible, a religion that breaks up families may not seem to be so severe to these governments. Many of their people are independent financially and therefore, may be more emotionally/socially independent also?
However, you take other cultures where the financial/economic world is different. Where people, through their families and small communities are quite dependent on each other. For older people, health care, babysitting, etc, shared housing, they must stay linked, truly deeply extensively caring for each others needs.
So while this Watchtower religion, U.S. based, may not seem so threatening here, though breaks up families, foreign countries would see breaking up families much more threatening to their culture. Also, in foreign countries, any money being donated by their citizens to a foreign religion with no services for schools or hospitals for their immediate people would be very threatening.
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Maze
If an organization came into my country and destroyed hundreds of thousands of families I would consider it an enemy of the society I was mandated to protect.
I would not consider them to be "A Peaceable People" after surveying the tremendous amount of damage done to my society and all other societies around the world. I do not think anyone should be "free" to destroy society through shattering once wholesome family units who are residing in it. In my opinion there is no "Good Name" to protect.
Instead, God's name, Jehovah, is being profaned.
I do not know however, if that is the reason for the Russian opposition to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
Try this using Google:
Jehovah's Witness Destroyed Family
Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit.
If any man is reaching out for an office of overseer, he is desirous of a fine work. The overseer should therefore be irreprehensible, a husband of one wife, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, not a drunken brawler, not a smiter, but reasonable, not belligerent, not a lover of money, a man presiding over his own household in a fine manner, having children in subjection with all seriousness; (if indeed any man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of God’s congregation?) not a newly converted man, for fear that he might get puffed up [with pride] and fall into the judgment passed upon the Devil. Moreover, he should also have a fine testimony from people on the outside, in order that he might not fall into reproach and a snare of the Devil. 1 Timothy 3:1-7
Nevertheless, also, let each one of you individually so love his wife as he does himself; on the other hand, the wife should have deep respect for her husband. Ephesians 5:33
What at times happens, is someone will turn their back on the Truth, make a mess out of their family life and out of bitter selfishness blame the whole thing on Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't know if you remember brotherdan, but when abandoned Jehovah's Organization he started harassing his wife who was still a Witness. I've been associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for over thirty years. I know exactly what goes on there. The lie that Jehovah's Witnesses ruin families is apostate poison. -
Maze
Sexual immorality above all threatens family life. If the family unit had anything to do with what's motivating the Russian government, why don't they outlaw pornography?
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cantleave
Maze you are talking Horseshit again deary.
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pirata
What at times happens, is someone will turn their back on the Truth, make a mess out of their family life and out of bitter selfishness blame the whole thing on Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't know if you remember brotherdan, but when abandoned Jehovah's Organization he started harassing his wife who was still a Witness. I've been associated with Jehovah's Witnesses for over thirty years. I know exactly what goes on there. The lie that Jehovah's Witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.
It is very biased to say that "apostates" have turned their back on the Truth. Most "apostates" do not believe that the "Truth" is true or truthful. They have, at least for themselves, that the "Truth" is not true.
This creates an unfortunate environment where:
- JW family members think that the now "apostate" family member has abandoned God and Jesus, and place their own pride and selfishness above that of their family and the unity of the congregation.
- The no longer believing family member thinks that his JW family is under the mind control of a dangerous cult. They often try to "rescue" their family.
These opposing views are bound to cause a strain on a relationship. It's hard to find a middle ground when both sides are so convinced that they are right. It's similar when a person who wasn't a JW becomes a JW. Unfortunately I have heard (some) similar stories about families disowning the family member who has decided to become a witness.
I think they biggest beef, and reason for the view that JWs break up families is because of 1) The demonizing the of the now "apostate", and 2) the disfellowshipping arrangement which requires shunning as an issue of "loyalty" to a belief that may or may not be true (whereas the shunning of the family member is very real).
There's two sides to every story. The answers usually somewhere in the middle. The unfortunate thing is that it's ofen hard to find a middle ground when one or both sides cannot or refuse to compromise.
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steve2
Let's get this straight: A poster advocated writing letters to every Russian government department to report on the divisive impact of the Watchtower teachings on people. I'm sorry but that hardly qualifies as a reason to ban a group. Besides, look at Russia's own blood-soaked recent history of extreme human rights abuses. You might think Rutherford when it comes to the JWs; I think Stalin when it comes to the Russian peoples. Literally millions killed in the 1920s alone.
I immensiely dislike the Watchtower teachings and view them as of human origin, but I detest the double standard the "new" Russian government applies to the JWs.
