Political Preferences

by Band on the Run 10 Replies latest social current

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I've noted extreme left-wingers and extreme right-wingers here and, of course, everyone in between. The right wing seems louder but that could be just my own bias. Some active Witness in a Republican Club was trying to do research a couple of months ago about Witnesses and party affiliatoin or ideology. My regular sites are more centrist. I find an over the top tone here, maybe it is just good passion.

    I would think that Witnesses would embrace a conservative, authoritarian ideology that is strong on moral/social values. The people who don't readily see a social gospel that must be acted in the world now. Yet the lower income status would indicate a government providing benefits. Many here seem to be small business owners.

    His analysis did not seem very sophisticated and he was a college student so he need not have professional standards. Maybe former Witnesses merely mirror the world at large. I know I would be recognized as an East Coast elite and even though I know my bias maybe I don't eliminate it.

    I was mesmerized by a Meet the Press segment Tim Russert showed. The theory is that politics has not much to do with political ideology and philsophy. Rather, it is an outcome of a lifestyle choice. Iceberg v. arugula. Beer vs. wine. If they have access to your grocery store purchases, you can be targeted for party preference based on brands of toothpaste, deodorant, ice cream, shampoo, Coke v. Pepsi. It scares me b/c I was so progr. in my consumer brands. It left me confused.

    I'm curious what other people think.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    I think part of your analysis is stereotypical hogwash. But, the below statement is REALLY confusing? Anybody else see something wrong here?

    Some active Witness in a Republican Club was trying to do research a couple of months ago about Witnesses and party affiliatoin or ideology.
    ???????????
  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Some active Witness in a Republican Club was trying to do research a couple of months ago about Witnesses and party affiliatoin or ideology.

    The only club I know of that JW's belong to is the one run by the faithless and diseased slobberers up in New York.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    His Republican activity is a secret. I don't know about college.

    If you feel subjectively that I am writing stereotypical whatever, pls feel free to elucidate everyone with details. Calling names isn't very taxing. I'm not begging for approval. My view is my view finis. I just wanted some discussion to see what others thought.

    Paper tiger! Capitalist pig! Not born here! Moslem b/c he is a n....r! Tippicanoe and Tyler, too! Millions for defense, not one cent for....Real instructive.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    Around here? People are very divided along party lines. That's what Carl Rove wanted and he got it. Michigan that is.

  • Palimpsest
    Palimpsest

    Studies of brain scans have shown time and time again that both people with high levels of religiosity and high preference for conservative/right-wing politics are more likely to have oversized amygdalas. The amygdala is the part of the brain that processes fear. An oversized amygdala means the person is more likely to be motivated by a need to protect themselves. Religiosity and conservative beliefs are largely based on responses to threats -- for example, people either want protection from a strong god or a strong military.

    I am not knocking that -- studies also show that people with undersized amygdalas who tend to be left-leaning are less likely to protect themselves in moments of real threat, giving fuel to the argument that liberals are weaker leaders of militaries. But keeping that in mind, it shouldn't be surprising that researchers have known for decades that people who believe in or formerly believed in fundamentalist faiths are more likely to remain conservative even after leaving. It's all tied together by the same motivations.

    It's interesting to compare the political leanings of the different ex-Dub boards. Based on what I've seen, JWN has a very vocal right-wing contingent and also has a high percentage of people who have gone on to subscribe to new brands of Christianity. JWR, on the other hand, is largely atheist/agnostic and has a much more vocal left-wing contingent. I wonder what all of our amygdalas are like. ;)

  • No Room For George
    No Room For George

    Some active Witness in a Republican Club was trying to do research a couple of months ago about Witnesses and party affiliatoin or ideology.

    His Republican activity is a secret.

    Wow, that's the first time I've heard of that aspect of a double life!! I thought I had heard it all, and even lived my own double life when I was younger fooling with women and dabbling in the streets. I guess I'm living a double life now with this undercover apostate thing, but never have I heard of a double life on the politically active end of hidden activities when away from the meetings!!!!

    I'd say personally, my views tend to swing more conservative judicially, socially, and fiscally, however my instincts and experiences in life tell me that life is so complex that we have to be yielding and flexible, hence the need for being liberal to some degree. Personally speaking, when I hear or see someone yelling about "the liberals!", I pretty much disregard anything they have to say at that point. My experiences tell me they got their talking points from Fox or a Talk Radio personality and that they haven't given whatever political subject a thorough examination. As a JW going apostate I think I have experience in this regard. I can critique the Trinity, or even defend and explain 607 to 1914, and take ton of other proWT points and defend them, but I couldn't necessarily prove the other side wrong with no room for them to come back on. Looking at the WT apologists that come on here like Eggnog and how they get smashed, speaks volumes to how limited their knowledge really is. The same can be said when it comes to those that identify themsevles as Republicans, Libetarians, Democrats, or whatever affiliation they carry. Nothing is black and white in this world when it comes to social and political matters.

    Something else I should mention is, I hate politicians. Absolutely detest them, and I believe the JW upbringing plays a significant role into that. My fathers very resentful attitude towards white people and what he views as this system of things the Devil has created through them plays a role into that as well. Despite whatever my political and social views might be, if I stopped being a JW tonight, the chances of me registering to vote are slim to none. I'd rather join NAMBLA. I'm joking, I'm joking. Being honest, there are very few politicians and pundits that I can tolerate.

    Speaking of those I can tolerate, Mike Huckabee just announced he's not running. You know a couple months ago I thought Obama was a lame duck, or someone was gonna put a hole in his head, but I'm starting to think he's going to be a two-termer.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I had the opportunity to work for a Senate subcommittee. Complex was the word. It wasn't just the policy. Public officials seem to have at least three faces: 1. their staff and strong supporters - references to the enemy. 2. the base - slogans that meaningless and 3. other politicians. I saw GOP and Dem Senators opposed in voting patterns very friendly with each other.

    I was at a hearing setting up. They were so cordial with each other. Press arrived. High drama and yelling occurred. Hearing concludes, press leaves, back to buddies with no tension instanteously. It is sort of refreshing.

    Is the amyg....true? So the difference in purchasing preference could be biologically based. Of course, a middle course would be the best.

  • Palimpsest
    Palimpsest

    I had the same experience working in politics, BandOnTheRun. I don't miss that life.

    Re: amygdalas -- if I give you JSTOR titles, do you have access? I can't link to password-protected journal articles.

  • Terra Incognita
    Terra Incognita

    Band on the Run:

    I've noted extreme left-wingers and extreme right-wingers here and, of course, everyone in between. The right wing seems louder but that could be just my own bias.

    No Band; it's not your bias. Based on what I've witnessed:

    • Conservatives are rude right away.
    • Tend to engage in name calling immediately after a person, with a different view, makes a remark.
    • Automatically assume that the person making the remark that they don't agree with is a "Liberal".
    • Do not even have the mental capacity to distinguish between different ideologies in the political spectrum. As a result of this they split the world into themselves ("real" Americans) and Socialists; a bugaboo word that they think describes every political philosophy but theirs. Their world is either black, white or, if they have the pretense of sophistication, they acknowledge two shades of gray.

    I would think that Witnesses would embrace a conservative, authoritarian ideology that is strong on moral/social values.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses, being apolitical and, more importantly, monomaniacal like all authoritarian cultures, force their members into one "ideological" mold regardless of what their natural inclinations would be. Once they are free of the oppressive hold of the Watchtower, the former Witnesses gravitate into whatever ideology they were naturally predisposed to.

    I was mesmerized by a Meet the Press segment Tim Russert showed. The theory is that politics has not much to do with political ideology and philsophy. Rather, it is an outcome of a lifestyle choice. Iceberg v. arugula. Beer vs. wine. If they have access to your grocery store purchases, you can be targeted for party preference based on brands of toothpaste, deodorant, ice cream, shampoo, Coke v. Pepsi. It scares me b/c I was so progr. in my consumer brands. It left me confused.

    I've heard similar arguments before, but the only explanations that have any credibility and have been scientifically confirmed, are the neuropsychological ones. They emphasize differences in the structure of the brain between people who identify themselves as Liberal or Conservatives. These differences in turn are very likely to be genetically based. The basic findings are:

    • Conservatives are much more prone to fear than Liberals. This has been verified not only through psychological tests but through MRI brain scans. The portions of the brain that handle fear-the amygdala-is actually larger in Conservatives than in Liberals.
    • Conservatives have smaller Anterior Cingulate than Liberals. That portion of the brain is responsible for optimism.
    • Conservatives are also more easily disgusted by potentially offensive objects and concepts than Liberals.
    • Liberals are more adept than Conservatives in handling informational complexity, ambiguity and novelty.
    • Liberals tend to be "right brained" which makes them more creative and less rigid. Conservatives, on the other hand tend to be "left brained" making them more semantically rigid. That makes them word and language centered as opposed to a multidimensional, holistic view of the world. In extreme cases this linguistic, one dimensional, style of thinking disconnects them from the external world. In extreme cases this causes Conservative mind to acquire a psychotic, quasi-solipsistic world view. Essentially, they start living in their minds.

    Another psychological difference between the two is that the Conservative mind set seems to be more limited in scope, socially and naturalistically, than the Liberal one.

    • Socially speaking and in order of importance, Conservatives are only concerned with family, friends and to a lower degree pseudo tribes such as Church and Nation. Their altruism extends to their religion and nation but only to the extent that their religion is homogenous and their concept of nation extends primarily to those within their ideological sphere. However, such concern does not apply to the general world outside. People outside of their nation, with the exception of political allies, are mere gibbering objects to be either ignored or conquered and plundered.
    • Naturalistically, Conservatives only care about their lawns and those in the neighborhood. Or, if they happened to have been raised in a forest or rural area then they'll have an interest in it. Any natural area well outside of their territory could as well be a nuclear slag heap so long as they don't get any ill effects from it.

    • Liberals on the other hand, have the same concern that Conservatives have as to family, friends and compatriots. However, they do not have the sharp drop off that Conservatives have in relation to others outside their social/political sphere. They do not objectify the rest of the world as much as Conservatives. Hence, a more altruistic predisposition.
    • Liberals have the same parallel sentiments as regards to the Naturalistic world. They do not have the sharp drop off that Conservatives have in concern to their environment. More concern is shown to natural disturbances throughout the world. Hence, a greater predisposition towards environmentalism.

    In conclusion, as far as the Social and Naturalistic worlds are concerned, Conservatives live in a psychologically restricted bubble. Liberals have a more expansive view.

    I'm curious what other people think.

    Glad to be of service.

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