What would the world be like if everybody was a Jehovah Witnesses

by TotallyADD 77 Replies latest jw friends

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    With 7 million witnesses left and everyone gone we can imagine that old ones would be dying off rather quickly due to lack of doctors. Even a tooth infection could lead to death. The large amount of mental problems within the congregations would get worse and suicides would be on the rise. Crime would be swept under the carpet if the "brother" was repentant and the crime was committed more than few years ago. Child abusers would need two witnesses to the event as lack of professionals couldn't assess the victim so the elders would have to take the abuser's word. GB could come up with any BS teaching and the dummies would follow it. There would be a lot of alcohol abuse as we know that happens within the congregations. This 7 million wouldn't last very long time before they would self distract.

    These would be some of the problems that witnesses would face today if they were the only ones left over on the planet or were moved to an island. Obviously Alice, I meant Spade actually I mean Maze would not make it because without baptism and with a fact that s\he posts on apostate site would mean no entry to dubland paradise. Maze might even get stoned for disobeying GB's advise. After all, "The person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much" - Luke 21:10. OH oh, Maze isn't following GB's advise not to post on apostate sites, stoning might be in order and the house to be turn into a privy.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    terrorismwargreed
    business fraud
    theftviolent crimedrug abuse
    alcohol abuse
    immoralityhate-campaigns

    Actually, dear Maze (peace to you!), the WTBTS practice of wickedly convincing people to give their hard-earned money, savings, insurance benefits, land, and other assets to them... vs. providing for their OWN FLESH... regardless of whether such flesh is a JW or not)... fulfills your list as to greed, business fraud, and immorality. Thus, you forgot the practice of "corban"... which amounts to them "devouring widows' houses"... which is what that really comes down to.

    Since the monies actually belong to the "temple" of God... which is the PEOPLE... and NOT the vast real estate holdings of a fraudulent publishing company masquerading as a religion that doesn't admit it's a religion... it is also theft. They are literally ROBBING God of what is HIS... monies that are SUPPOSED to go helping "widows and orphans in their tribulation"... while some dusty old MEN are sitting around fat, well-fed and impeccably cared for.

    Let's see... no more drug and alcohol abuse? Ummmm... Jehovah's Witnesses are some of THE foremost drug and alcohol abusers on the planet, dear one. Closet abusers, true... but since alcohol is the only "vice" they're permitted, they tend to go at it with great fervor. AND... I have NEVER seen so many "housewives" of the same group on antidepressants. And both are quite understandable: the men are forced to be tyrants in their own homes (because they have no "power" any where else in the world, certainly not as janitors and window washers, no offense intended)... and the women are forced to be insipid, brain-dead, puerile sub-humans who can't make some of the elementary decisions in their own households. True, most don't adhere to those tenents, but that's what the alcohol and antidepressants are for: to "numb" the conscience. Unfortunately, they also lead to other forms of immorality... much of which is closeted, as well.

    Hate-campaigns. Seriously? The general undertone and underlying "message" of Jehovah's Witnesses is one of THE great "hate" campaigns on the planet today. It is a campaign that says, "Either you be like us, think like us, speak like us, dress like us, live like us... and worship like us... or God is going to destroy you. And He's not going to do it nicely, no, He's going to burn you body like a charcoal briquette, WHILE you're alive... and then I'm going to live in your house. Oh, and if your kid, spouse, parent, brother, sister, etc., don't agree with you when you agree with us, and you still talk to them... He's gonna burn them... and you, too." If that's not hate, then I don't know what is...

    Violent crime. I don't know if YOU would call this a "violent" crime, but I would say any person who would step over their own flesh who lay dying in the street... or in the hospital... or in an apartment... or at home... because they don't worship the God that you do... has committed a very violent "crime." I would say that anyone who is more concerned about whether THEY will live... rather than whether their CHILD will live... so that they will withhold their own life... by means of withholding their own BLOOD... which IS the life of any living being... is guilty of a violent crime. I would say that both are worse than the robbers who violently beat the Jew so that he lay almost dead in the road before he was found by one who did NOT worship as that Jew did (after being passed over by those who DID worship as he did)... yet, had pity and compassion and so stopped to help him and in doing so saved his life. I would say that anyone who WOULDN'T stop for his fellow man... or give his life on behalf of his friend, spouse, child, parent, etc.... which might only be giving such one a pint of one's life that is one's blood... even if that friend, spouse, child, parent, etc. was "disfellowshipped"... is guilty of a violent crime.

    And war. According to the WTBTS teachings, some JWs ARE actually going to engage in war, at some point, right? Don't they have these "riding into battle" and "battling" with Christ? They do, because they have NO clue what that symbolic event is all about. But since they teach it, I don't think we can say there'll be no war. At least, not at first.

    Which leaves terrorism. Okay. If everybody was a Jehovah's Witness there'd be no terrorism. Maybe. You'd have to count out the fake Jehovah's Witnesses, though (which I am sure there would be a lot of; there are now) 'cause no one can really say WHAT they'd be inclined to do.

    So, to be honest, I don't see things being all that different... other than some of it would all be a bit more "hidden" and behind doors. Initially.

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • mindseye
    mindseye

    If everyone were Jehovah Witnesses, and they could pull off their paradise fantasy, we would have something like the movie Pleasantville; a seemingly 'safe' utopian world, but one without color, nuance, ambiguity, poetry and beauty. Instead it would be filled with doctrine, conformity and repression. Yes, I don't think 'perfection' is what it's cracked up to be.

    But in reality, such 'perfection' is pipe dream. If everyone were converted to JWs tomorrow, eventually some would crack under the pressure. There would be schisms and sub-cults. Like any religion that gets too much state power, there would be disagreements within the ranks. We've already seen this on a small scale with the Watchtower society in the 80s. People are individuals, and not blind minions. And that's a good thing.

    Interesting aside; when one of my college friends saw the pics of 'paradise' in one of my old JW mags, she noted how similar they looked to Communist and other fascist propaganda from the early 20th century. I never realized how right she was.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    she noted how similar they looked to Communist and other fascist propaganda from the early 20th century

    I have a hard time believing that that's a coincidence...

    Peace to you, dear Mindseye!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    F U Shelby. This is twice within roughly 24 hours I have agreed with pretty much everything you wrote.

    Of course, the F U part was meant with affection :)

    Seriously, though, stop it. You're messing with my head and stuff.

  • Maze
    Maze
    Actually, dear Maze (peace to you!), the WTBTS practice of wickedly convincing people to give their hard-earned money, savings, insurance benefits, land, and other assets to them... vs. providing for their OWN FLESH... regardless of whether such flesh is a JW or not)... fulfills your list as to greed, business fraud, and immorality. Thus, you forgot the practice of "corban"... which amounts to them "devouring widows' houses"... which is what that really comes down to.
    Since the monies actually belong to the "temple" of God... which is the PEOPLE... and NOT the vast real estate holdings of a fraudulent publishing company masquerading as a religion that doesn't admit it's a religion... it is also theft. They are literally ROBBING God of what is HIS... monies that are SUPPOSED to go helping "widows and orphans in their tribulation"... while some dusty old MEN are sitting around fat, well-fed and impeccably cared for.

    It is not uncommon to see Christendom's religious leaders tooling around town in brand new Mercedes Benz, Lexus, and Cadillac vehicles, and these cars are parked in front of homes worth millions (shameless luxury). And of course, there are the designer suits and shoes that cost a pretty penny. You can start with Joel Osteen's profiteer ministries.

    At any Kingdom Hall, there's no collection plate that is passed around as there's no profit motive amongst those at the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York or the branch offices as the workers including the Governing Body only receive the necessities of life. Do you deny this fact? Your description more aptly describes Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.

    "And the kings of the earth who committed fornication with her and lived in shameless luxury will weep and beat themselves in grief over her, when they look at the smoke from the burning of her, while they stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say, ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!' Revelation 18:9-10

    Let's see... no more drug and alcohol abuse? Ummmm... Jehovah's Witnesses are some of THE foremost drug and alcohol abusers on the planet, dear one. Closet abusers, true... but since alcohol is the only "vice" they're permitted, they tend to go at it with great fervor. AND... I have NEVER seen so many "housewives" of the same group on antidepressants. And both are quite understandable: the men are forced to be tyrants in their own homes (because they have no "power" any where else in the world, certainly not as janitors and window washers, no offense intended)... and the women are forced to be insipid, brain-dead, puerile sub-humans who can't make some of the elementary decisions in their own households. True, most don't adhere to those tenents, but that's what the alcohol and antidepressants are for: to "numb" the conscience. Unfortunately, they also lead to other forms of immorality... much of which is closeted, as well.

    OK... Spew a bunch of slanderous, unsubstantiated garbage you conjured in your warped imagination and maybe someone reading will lick it all up verbatim. Do you have any evidence to present?

    Hate-campaigns. Seriously? The general undertone and underlying "message" of Jehovah's Witnesses is one of THE great "hate" campaigns on the planet today. It is a campaign that says, "Either you be like us, think like us, speak like us, dress like us, live like us... and worship like us... or God is going to destroy you. And He's not going to do it nicely, no, He's going to burn you body like a charcoal briquette, WHILE you're alive... and then I'm going to live in your house. Oh, and if your kid, spouse, parent, brother, sister, etc., don't agree with you when you agree with us, and you still talk to them... He's gonna burn them... and you, too." If that's not hate, then I don't know what is...

    Just about all religions in Christendom have apocalyptic teachings of one kind or another. Jehovah's Witnesses simply proclaim what the Bible states about God's pronouncements against the wicked.

    That is why the wicked ones will not stand up in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of righteous ones. For Jehovah is taking knowledge of the way of righteous ones, But the very way of wicked ones will perish. Psalm 1:5-6

    Violent crime. I don't know if YOU would call this a "violent" crime, but I would say any person who would step over their own flesh who lay dying in the street... or in the hospital... or in an apartment... or at home... because they don't worship the God that you do... has committed a very violent "crime." I would say that anyone who is more concerned about whether THEY will live... rather than whether their CHILD will live... so that they will withhold their own life... by means of withholding their own BLOOD... which IS the life of any living being... is guilty of a violent crime. I would say that both are worse than the robbers who violently beat the Jew so that he lay almost dead in the road before he was found by one who did NOT worship as that Jew did (after being passed over by those who DID worship as he did)... yet, had pity and compassion and so stopped to help him and in doing so saved his life. I would say that anyone who WOULDN'T stop for his fellow man... or give his life on behalf of his friend, spouse, child, parent, etc.... which might only be giving such one a pint of one's life that is one's blood... even if that friend, spouse, child, parent, etc. was "disfellowshipped"... is guilty of a violent crime.

    Actually, "slave of Christ," God has the power to resurrect human life or are you not a faithful slave of Christ? Christendom's churches have no faith in God's ability to cure infirmities and restore humanity to perfection.

    And war. According to the WTBTS teachings, some JWs ARE actually going to engage in war, at some point, right? Don't they have these "riding into battle" and "battling" with Christ? They do, because they have NO clue what that symbolic event is all about. But since they teach it, I don't think we can say there'll be no war. At least, not at first.

    No, Jehovah's Witnesses will never physically participate in warfare even during the great tribulation. Their warfare is spiritual.

    Fight the fine fight of the faith, get a firm hold on the everlasting life for which you were called and you offered the fine public declaration in front of many witnesses. 1 Timothy 6:12

    Which leaves terrorism. Okay. If everybody was a Jehovah's Witness there'd be no terrorism. Maybe. You'd have to count out the fake Jehovah's Witnesses, though (which I am sure there would be a lot of; there are now) 'cause no one can really say WHAT they'd be inclined to do.

    This nonsense doesn't merit a response.

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    What would the world be like if everybody was a Jehovah Witnesses? The world would be expressing the disfunctional word 'WAAAT'.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    It is not uncommon to see Christendom's religious leaders tooling around town in brand new Mercedes Benz, Lexus, and Cadillac vehicles, and these cars are parked in front of homes worth millions (shameless luxury). And of course, there are the designer suits and shoes that cost a pretty penny. You can start with Joel Osteen's profiteer ministries.

    Wait. I wasn't under the impression that we were talking about "christendom", dear Maze (again, peace to you!)... and your exclusion of the WTBTS from that group is interesting. I understand, though: they exclude themselves and so you have learned to do so, too. A very hypocritical quote from them on page 70 of the "Proclaimer's" Book reveals the truth, though, that they really are a part of "christendom." What does it say there? Well, apparently, the WTBTS wanted to call out the "clergy of Christendom" after the latter attempted to stymie on of their early tract campaigns. Do you know what they called "the clergy of Christendom?"

    "A bigoted group of men who systematically endeavor to throttle all Bible teaching... unless it comes through them." [Emphasis mine.]

    I'd say that's a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Which is hypocrisy. Which is leaven. Which is what Christ told YOU and ME to look out for and BEWARE of.

    Second, that the leaders of the WTBTS "dress down" and drive "conservative" cars means, what? Those of “christendom” are big fish. Those of the WTBTS are little fish. Still fish. Still taking money from widows and orphans. Still practicing "corban."

    At any Kingdom Hall, there's no collection plate that is passed around as there's no profit motive amongst those at the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York or the branch offices as the workers including the Governing Body only receive the necessities of life.

    The “necessities” of life? May I ask you: does every JW the world over have “the necessities” of life? Every widow? Every fatherless child? Every elderly man? Every sick JW? Everyone’s roof tight? Everyone HAVE a roof? How about a car? Every JW have one of those conservative cars? If not… WHY not? Are the "leaders" making sure the widows and orphans have such "necessities" before THEY do? Better yet, w ho provided Christ’s HIS “necessities of life”? How about the Apostles? Why did they return to fishing? Why not just let the people provide their “necessities”?

    To that end, what about the giving campaigns… where those who had came and laid gifts at the feet of the Apostles in order to effect an “equalizing” among the people? What of those did the Apostles take for THEIR “necessities of life”? From what I read, it was all… ALL… distributed to the widows and orphans. In fact, certain men were appointed OVER this important task… to make sure the “distribution” was right and fair. They were called… wait for it… OVERSEERS (of the distribution).

    But THAT’S not the reason no collection plate it passed. Heck, Christ didn’t’ condemn the “trumpets” in the temple (he just watched who put in what). The reason is because if they SAID, any more assertive than they already do (at assemblies, from the podium, and through their magazines) that you SHOULD donate… you HAVE to… you would be “on” to them in a second! But that’s not how “con” men play the game. Rather, they get your CONFIDENCE (“What, who, us? Want your money? Now, why in the world would you think that? We don’t ask for your money, do we? I mean, sure, we “encourage” you to give. We even insinuate that you’re not really all that spiritual if you don’t. But we don’t MAKE you give it, DO we??”) That’s why they’re CALLED a “con” men, dear one.

    Do you deny this fact?

    No profit motive? I absolutely DO deny that “fact”… and on several bases, all of which are “fact”:

    1. The FACT that, while the religious aspect is non-profit (in order to have tax-exempt status), it’s a corporation… by virtue of the FACT it has shareholders… which shareholders, for a FACT… invested money (or their predecessor did)… in order to BE shareholders... and so are entitled to (and expect) a "return" on that investment.

    2. The FACT that the purpose OF a corporation is to make money… for its shareholders, if it has them (or to operate, if it doesn't)… and failing to do so could have serious consequences. Which is the reason for many of its investments, holding companies, and real estate assets. True, everything might not be “liquid”, but it still is certainly ASSETS.

    3. The FACT that there are 29 or pages located dead center in the “Proclaimer’s” Book, showing real estate holdings all over the world… and not a one is anything to sneeze at. And THAT was 20 or so years ago! Yet, JWs in the boonies of Africa or South American have to sit and burn in the sun or get drench in torrential rain… because they can’t afford (yet) to build a KH. And when they CAN afford it… the money is loaned… WITH INTEREST (which is PROFIT).

    4. The FACT that, although virtually every KH donates to the KH “Building Fund”, those monies are LOANED to build such Halls… AT INTEREST (again, profit!)… which is USURY… condemned both in the OT (post Babylon)… and the NT (by Christ himself).

    Your description more aptly describes Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.

    My description of the WTBTS? Well… she is a “daughter” of that harlot, so the description is appropo.

    OK... Spew a bunch of slanderous, unsubstantiated garbage you conjured in your warped imagination and maybe someone reading will lick it all up verbatim. Do you have any evidence to present?

    Okay, stop. Unless you’re, what, 10 years old… you know exactly what I’m talking about, so let's be honest and let's you be a man about it. You know as well as I that no self-respecting JW is going to risk being expelled or “removed” (deleted?)… or exposed… and judged… by admitting they have a drinking “problem” or are hooked on pain meds or antidepressants. Please. The very “culture” created by the WTBTS is one where, rather than stepping into the light and living in TRUTH… one must hide virtually every truth about one. You know, like YOU have to hide that you’re coming here. You and I both know you can’t be open and honest about that. WAY too risky.

    Just about all religions in Christendom have apocalyptic teachings of one kind or another.

    Yet, the WTBTS isn’t a part of “Christendom.” Ummmm... there goes some more of that "leaven"...

    Jehovah's Witnesses simply proclaim what the Bible states about God's pronouncements against the wicked.

    That’s what they all say. No difference. Yellow fish (vs. blue fish). Swimming in leaven...

    That is why the wicked ones will not stand up in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of righteous ones. For Jehovah is taking knowledge of the way of righteous ones, But the very way of wicked ones will perish. Psalm 1:5-6

    Well, this part is true; however, the WTBTS doesn’t know what it means to BE wicked. Otherwise, they would look into the MIRROR that is the Law… which is viewed ONLY by looking at Christ… and not the WINDOW they try to make it out to be by looking at others.

    Actually, "slave of Christ," God has the power to resurrect human life or are you not a faithful slave of Christ?

    I am a faithful slave (to the extent my Lord has granted me the "fruit" of the Father's holy spirit that IS faith)… and He has granted that “authority” TO Christ.

    Christendom's churches have no faith in God's ability to cure infirmities and restore humanity to perfection.

    Ummmmm… I don’t think you’re correct here, at all. While I don't condone christendom's churches any more than I do the WTBTS (well, not a LOT more), the truth is that the WTBTS has WAY less faith in this ability than the others. Because Christ, by means of holy spirit… granted that authority to HIS servants. It is one of the gifts of holy spirit. Yet, the WTBTS not only denies that gift today… in their VERY false teaching of the gifts having “ceased”… but blasphemously calls anyone who possesses and used such gift “demonic.” Because “unless it comes through them…” it ain’t true. Yet, Christ told his disciples, when THEY got upset because a man who wasn’t part of them went around healing folks “in the name of [Jesus]” that “he that is not AGAINST you, is FOR you.”

    Like the disciples, though, rather than REJOICING that someone is healed by means of holy spirit and the name of Christ, they condemn that “good” work… and attribute it to Belial. A blasphemy against the Holy Spirit!

    No, Jehovah's Witnesses will never physically participate in warfare even during the great tribulation. Their warfare is spiritual.

    Ummmmm… the “glint” in their eye when they start talking about the furloughs of blood and birds feasting on flesh says they either believe… or hope… otherwise.

    Fight the fine fight of the faith, get a firm hold on the everlasting life for which you were called and you offered the fine public declaration in front of many witnesses. 1 Timothy 6:12

    Yes, *I* get that, but I’m not sure most Witnesses do. I think if you polled folks here, they would tell you that the Witnesses THEY know don’t limit their belief… or hope… to “spiritual.”

    This nonsense doesn't merit a response.

    What, you don’t think there are fake Witnesses? Dear one, there are fake everything. And there are those who come HERE who no longer believe any modicum of it, but love their families… and for them, are faking it. At the same time, t here are triple that who don’t come here.

    C’mon, dear Maze… let’s be honest. YOU know something’s up… something’s “wrong” there. That’s why you’re here. You’re searching. You’re just not ready to risk losing your faith. Well, let me let you in on another truth: you don’t have to risk your faith. Because faith in God and Christ… is NOT the same thing as “faith” in the WTBTS. Not at all.

    I know… it’s hard and it’s scary. But no matter how scary, knowing the TRUTH is worth stepping though the door. Christ… and ONLY Christ… is that Door, dear one (John 10:9). HE is the Way, the Truth, and the Life… and there is no other “narrow gate” that you can go through.

    Again, I bid you peace!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    LOL @ JW Gone Bad!!

  • Terra Incognita
    Terra Incognita

    Diamonddiz:

    "Child abusers would need two witnesses to the event as lack of professionals couldn't assess the victim so the elders would have to take the abuser's word."

    Below you'll find one of the multitudes of Jehovah's Witness abominations that people like Maze sweep under the carpet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZpScLCMqEk

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