Would Y'all Like to See Something Awesome From the Book of Jasher? (page 3)

snowbird

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

It's entirely possible they learned it from YHWH, of course.

It's not very likely that a good Father wouldn't equip His offspring for survival.

Say what you will about Him, you have to admit that YHWH is a good Father.

Syl

EntirelyPossible

Say what you will about Him, you have to admit that YHWH is a good Father.

Yeah, Syl, He is. "Here, you have free will, but I'll kill you and all of your descendants if you use it in a way I don't like. And I'll make sure you ALL suffer along the way". Yeah, a great dad. Kinda sad that society at large has better morals than god.

If he wanted them to survive, why didn't he just, I dunno, NOT decide to kill them in the first place?

snowbird

"Along with that free will you have a beautiful home, a variety of good stuff to eat, and a brain capacity to make anything possible."

"Heck, I'll even make mating a pleasure, not just one of the many chores I've given you."

"All I ask in return is that you recognize My right to tell you what you cannot do."

"This right in no way infringes on your freedom."

"Deal?"

Syl

EntirelyPossible

This ...

"All I ask in return is that you recognize My right to tell you what you cannot do."

... is completely incompatible with this ...

"This right in no way infringes on your freedom."

"Deal?"

Except they didn't get the chance to accept or decline, they were created and told that was the deal. And then killed for for. And us.

snowbird

I beg to differ.

Acceptance is implied.

YHWH is just.

From where do you think we get our sense of justice?

Syl

snowbird

This ...

"All I ask in return is that you recognize My right to tell you what you cannot do."

... is completely incompatible with this ...

"This right in no way infringes on your freedom."

Perfectly compatible.

Who's calling the shots?

Who has the power?

Sheesh!

Syl

EntirelyPossible

I beg to differ.

You don't have to beg, you can simply differ. I am not some power mad psycho like YHWH that will kill your for not agreeing with me. :)

Acceptance is implied.

It sure is easy to decide what happened when they didn't bother to write it down. I can just as easily say that it's implied that he asked and they declined, so that's why what's written down is in the form of a command since they didn't agree. Making shit up is easy. Backing it up, that's harder.

And acceptance is never implied.

From where do you think we get our sense of justice?

Which sense? The one that lets people murder, the one that lets them rape, the one that lets them defraud, steal, scam, abuse, threaten?

Acutally, all of those match up with things god commanded in the bible.

Who's calling the shots?

Who has the power?

So might makes right? If a man breaks into a womans house while she is sleeping and says "I have a gun. I'll rape you and leave $1 million dollar here OR kill you. Deal?" that would be OK because he has the power and is calling the shots?

snowbird

You don't have to beg, you can simply differ. I am not some power mad psycho like YHWH that will kill your for not agreeing with me. :)

Just something I've always liked saying; incidentally, I've also always liked saying "as it were."

It sure is easy to decide what happened when they didn't bother to write it down. I can just as easily say that it's implied that he asked and they declined, so that's why what's written down is in the form of a command since they didn't agree. Making shit up is easy. Backing it up, that's harder.

And acceptance is never implied.

"He laid this command upon the man ..." Doesn't that imply acceptance?

Which sense? The one that lets people murder, the one that lets them rape, the one that lets them defraud, steal, scam, abuse, threaten?

Acutally, all of those match up with things god commanded in the bible.

The sense that becomes inflamed when we see or hear of others being mistreated.

Actually, God condemns those things, but if the Bible doesn't convince you of that, how can I?

So might makes right?

In YHWH's case, you betcha! Happily.

If a man breaks into a womans house while she is sleeping and says "I have a gun. I'll rape you and leave $1 million dollar here OR kill you. Deal?" that would be OK

because he has the power and is calling the shots?

Don't be ridiculous.

Syl

EntirelyPossible

Just something I've always liked saying; incidentally, I've also always liked saying "as it were."

I know, I was just kidding with you. I do the same thing with my son when he asks "Dad, can I tell you something?"

"He laid this command upon the man ..." Doesn't that imply acceptance?

Not at all. They were created and then told what would happen, they weren't created and asked if they would like the deal. They never had the chance to accept. It's like when men were shanghaied in the old days, knocked out, kidnapped and put to work on ships already at sea. Did they accept the deal? They had no choice, they woke up in a situation they had no control over.

Actually, God condemns those things, but if the Bible doesn't convince you of that, how can I?

He condemns them even as he orders them committed. A judge that sentences a man for child pornography and then is, in turn, found with it himself surely condemned the bad act, but he was no better because he did the EXACT SAME THING.

In YHWH's case, you betcha! Happily.

Sorry, no special pleading. How is it that Spiderman has a a better moral code than god? His is "with great power comes great responsibility". God's seems to be "don't do bad things because I don't do bad things, except whenever the fuck I want and it's OK because I am stronger."

Comically silly.

Don't be ridiculous.

I'm not. I am seriosuly asking. The man has the power and is calling the shots and offering the woman a sweet deal. How is that any different from god?

snowbird

Not at all. They were created and then told what would happen, they weren't created and asked if they would like the deal. They never had the chance to accept.

You know this, how?

I believe the God of the Bible is just, merciful, and kind.

You believe He is a monster.

Let's just leave it at that, shall we?

Syl

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