B Bill . . . they definitely win in the debacles stakes. Who can blame us if we can't keep up with them?
No Rapture But JW's Shown 2 B The True Idiots
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Podobear
Chanel 4 (UK) had a rather reticent Anglican bishop (from Buckingham) being interviewed just prior to 6pm BST. He was very cagey as he explained 1 Thessalonians 4.
I am not sure of the convictions of the (Asian looking) male interviewer. Perhaps I detected a little non-Christian dis belief in his wry smile... but anyway
The news broadcast ended with him being beamed out in shafts of light and leaving his suit behind. Bravo, to the guy who cashed in and earned an instant 20K on abandoned pet insurance!
Soberly, we are left with speculations over 1st Century speculation and teaching on the matter... and I guess all those who got our of Jerusalem in AD66 were very grateful....
Darn Elders, always interfering
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Listener
Morbidzbaby said
I'd love to know how they are going to make 100 years of Watchtower history and theology based on that one year disappear... I'd love to know the "satisfactory" answer they will give the R & F. I'd also love to see how many people actually walk because of it. Newer converts not so much, but those who "grew up" on 1914? I wonder what the reaction will be...
Funny you mention 100 years. There is a JW on topix who was going on about 100 years yesterday. This guy is very knowledgeable in JW doctrine and some there believe he is there to set the records straight and is direct from Bethel (if not the GB). He said the following
Amazing that Jehovah's first ministry, and his last ministry, are roughly 100 years long.
He made several references to a 100 year link to the first century and of course goes on about how christendom has done nothing during all this time. But an interesting take and I wouldn't be surprised to see this in future literature.
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steve2
Amazing that Jehovah's first ministry, and his last ministry, are roughly 100 years long.
Give or take a few decades (e.g., 1876 - 1913 when Russell stirred up the masses with his very specific predictions about what would happen to the world in 1914 (it would end).
Amazing what you can do with a few extra decades when they don't now fit into your plan of things.
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sizemik
LOL . . . how much rougher does 135 have to get before it's no longer considered 100?
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Lunatic Faith
The problem with the R & F is that they keep their heads buried in Watchtower rhetoric and deny the majority of the failed prophecies. They can't deny 1975 because there are too many people still alive who remember it and too many publications which speak of it. The previous dates have been reworked by WT history to reflect a completely different interpretation. When I posted the above quote from the Herald Sun on the FB JW page this is the response I got:
Witnesses have never predicted prophesies. We know Jehovah will not allow us to know and not even Jesus knows when the end will come. 1914 was when the beginning of the end began when Jesus begun his rule and began to judge nations separating sheep from goats. But we do not know the exact date of the end. But it can come within the twinkle of an eye.
I haven't even responded because the comment is so ignorant on so many levels. The JW's have predicted numerous times; the WT teaches that though JC said he didn't know the day and hour while he was on earth, he surely knows it now as God's executioner; the judging of the sheep and goats hasn't begun yet (according to new light from the 90's); they only came up with the invisible presence of JC some 30 years after 1914 failed to bring expected judgment; etc, etc, etc.
It's amazing how the R&F don't even understand the very things they claim to believe in wholeheartedly.
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Heaven
There were also more than a couple of direct "predictions" - er, sorry, I mean statements - made in the publications that the end would arrive before the end of the 20th Century. What hypocritical dopes. Any knowledgeable poster remember the references of those statements?
I remember. My parents as well as other JW family members have wasted years of their life waiting for God's new system that never happened.
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sizemik
Witnesses have never predicted prophesies.
Ignoring the tautology in his wording . . . we know this is a provable lie.
And yet I think people say these things knowing they are misrepresenting the truth . . . but for some higher purpose . . . defending thier faith, championing God's organisation, fighting theocratic warfare, or something. I think they honestly believe it's OK to do that. It's like they're trained to lie "for the truth". Notice how he quotes the scriptures and immediately becomes all "preachy".
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Listener
The Herald/Sun and the News are very rich corporations. If they have made a false claim then perhaps the WTB&TS would benefit greatly by suing them.
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moomanchu
This Time article puts JW in the same company as Harold Camping.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2072748,00.html
Throughout history, movements like these have sprung up, especially in times of war or economic and political instability.
"When you think your world is going to hell in a handbasket, it's comforting to say, 'The world is bad, but God will take me out of this,'" says Doug Weaver, an associate professor of religion at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, who teaches the history of Christianity.
To that end, apocalyptic movements have surfaced in almost every era of chaos: following the Great Fire of London in 1666, for example, or during the U.S. Civil War in the 1860s.
The outbreak of World War I unleashed a torrent of end-of-the-world predictions: Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, predicted the second coming of Christ would occur in 1914, which he said would mark the end of time for nonbelievers.