Jehovah deserves to die - according to his own Law.

by Essan 50 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Essan
    Essan

    Yup, that's right.

    If we apply the principle from God's own law at Deuteronomy 22:8, that is.

    "When you build a new house, you must build a railing around the edge of its flat roof. That way you will not be considered guilty of murder if someone falls from the roof." - Deut 22:8 New Living Translation.

    Jehovah failed to build a "barrier" onto his creation - mankind - in order to prevent "the fall" and the deaths of billions of Adam's descendants through no choice or fault of their own. He could have done so. He didn't. Therefore he is bloodguilty, a murderer, and deserves to die. Mankind was HIS creation, not Adam's, therefore it is HIS responsibility to prevent "falls".

    We can perhaps forgive Jehovah for the deaths of Adam and Eve, since they made their own choice (although Deuteronomy offers no exceptions, so I'm not sure Jehovah deserves this leniency, according to the letter of His law) but Adam's billions of descendants had no choice and no fault. It was Jehovah's design flaw. He could easily have prevented their "fall" and the totally unfair and unneccessary cascade effect of death, but he didn't.

    So, he's bloodguilty and must die.

    Discuss. Or not. Whatever

  • truthseeker1969
    truthseeker1969

    The choice to sin was Adam and Eves and the choice as to whether to give mankind a barrier could have been something Jehovah ignored and left us with nothing.

    However the ransom sacrifice was the "barrier" he gave to all therefore saving those who chose to follow.

    It is exactly that freedom of choice and that freedom of will that gives us the ability to think and act as we please and lets not forget that it was made plain to Adam and Eve, the consequences of their choice to disobey.

    No loving God would ever instill in man a drone attitude to follow as that would not be a loving God.

    And let us not forget the principle of the whole Adam and Eve and sin thing and that is the perfection of God in all aspects would not allow him to simply correct the situation as it would not have answered the challenge of Satan and self determination.

    Don't be angry at God he gave what he gave to bring us back into his love.

    And so no Jehovah is not bloodguilty in anyway.

  • Joliette
    Joliette

    I agree w/ the first post.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I say, string him up. That Almighty Lowlife Scumbag never gave us a choice--why should everyone die because of some made-up fable about two people taking something that Jehovah Scumbag didn't want them to have (and would have rotted anyways)? It always comes to how we almost had success, but Jehovah manages to steal it away under the pretext of one person's actions.

    Going beyond the design flaw, Jehovah is so petty that he will happily kill, or condemn to a lifetime of misery, someone for an "offense" that ranks along with a tiny fly. And he will happily make something up, or make one person pay for a "sin" that someone commits. Worse even than that, he will happily add "penalties" for complaining about it--something like an electric company adding a penalty for complaining about an error that they did in fact make. Then he is as likely to blow up those "penalties" until the original penny-ante item is obscured (as in the electric company adding billions and billions in penalties for complaining about a 5 cent error).

    And Satan deserves dying for trying to free us from that?

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I love the tyranny of follow me or die. Only the most ruthless, evil dictators adopt that policy. These dictators indeed take after their Father Satan Jehovah.

  • moshe
    moshe

    As the story goes---Humans were created with free-will and as mortal beings- they only thing God did was pull the plug on their free lease to paradise and a chance to win the tree of life lottery.. Humans have been their own landlords and caretakers ever since.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    How about 20 million counts of negligent homicide? I find it interesting that he has to bring a flood that wipes out every living creature, not just the bad-ass humans but the freakin animals too.... and why? Because while he's too busy pouting over two idiots disobeying him for 1600+ years he lets everything go to shit.... his own creatures coming down here and causing all that mess that could only be resolved by wiping everything out. But hey, it's all OUR fault because Adam ate a fruit.... Oh but he's such a loving God, he feels so much remorse that he invents the pwetty pwetty wainbow.....

  • moshe
    moshe

    Now when it comes to picking the Jews as his covenant people, G-d really did fail to put up the safety railing and the Jews fell off the roof many times, but then God had to know that would happen,- he is omniscient, right?

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    "When you build a new house, you must build a railing around the edge of its flat roof. That way you will not be considered guilty of murder if someone falls from the roof." - Deut 22:8 New Living Translation.

    Was this law handed down by god himself or was it a law created by the ancient Judeans by men ?

    Either way someone really has to exist before one can place judgment on to their actions.

    Interesting is it not that God Yahweh handed down the the law that shall not kill but when it

    came to people not within his chosen tribe, killing was approved and quite OK.

  • Essan
    Essan

    Hi Trusthseeker1969,

    Thanks for your response. However, you didn't address the Scripture we're considering. You said:

    "The choice to sin was Adam and Eves"

    Yes, but the choice to have sin pass automatically to children was Jehovah's. This is his fault, because he designed it that way. He is responsible for his own creation - according to his own law at Deut 22:8 - and he CANNOT legitimately 'pass the buck' of responsibility to Adam. Adam is responsible for his own sin, that's all. The creator is responsible for the creation in it's entirety.

    "the choice as to whether to give mankind a barrier could have been something Jehovah ignored and left us with nothing".

    He did ignore it, that's the point. That's how we got into this mess, because He didn't prevent it as Deut 22:8 says he must. But I gather you are talking about the Ransom, given later.

    "However the ransom sacrifice was the "barrier" he gave to all therefore saving those who chose to follow."

    It's not a barrier, because millions of people died before the ransom was paid and millions have died after. It was not a barrier to suffering and death. It's already happened. It's too late. And anyway, according to the Bible those who died don't need the ransom because death eliminates their sin. So it prevented nothing. What you are really saying is that after causing untold suffering and the deaths of billions, Jehovah finally got around to trying to clean his own mess up. To little too late.

    "It is exactly that freedom of choice and that freedom of will that gives us the ability to think and act as we please..."

    Sorry, this is all unscriptural and simply your opinion. Paul said we are all BORN "slaves" to sin. We don't have free will, because our natures are NOT free, they are in slavery to sin, because of Jehovah's negligence.

    "and lets not forget that it was made plain to Adam and Eve, the consequences of their choice to disobey."

    No, you can't pass the buck like that. It was Jehovah who designed mankind so that sin and death would automatically pass to innocents. He could have done otherwise - so that only those who CHOSE to sin paid the price. But no, he chose a system far more unfair. And Deut 22:8 doesn't say that if someone commits suicide from a roof that you are excused responsibility as it's builder for failing to build a barrier as required by law. There are no loopholes.

    "No loving God would ever instill in man a drone attitude to follow as that would not be a loving God."

    No loving God would intentionally design a system in which innocent billions were forced to suffer and die for the sin of their parents.

    "And so no Jehovah is not bloodguilty in anyway."

    I'm afraid you haven't proven anything. But I respect that this is the opinion you choose to endorse.

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