I'm not a fan of Jung, but...

by Dogpatch 36 Replies latest jw friends

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  Band on the Run

  I don't care about the specific details Jung believed or not. Some sound absolutely fantastic to me. His main themes are relevant. Jung's myth and numinosity draw me in. I am very analytic. My profession demands it. Jung reminds me of Gnosticism. It is a fresh way of viewing the world. His perspective allows me to view material in a way I did not before reading his work.

  Freud was not scientific. Almost all his theories have proved untrue and discarded. Biology is now the driving force in psychiatry. I know several psychs. who were analysts. Jung is not as sexist as Freud.

  I can't use logic to defend Jung. It is similar to my experience of Christ. A deep, strong part of me, that I am usually not conscious exists, tells me in my gut that there is truth present. Jung is not a psychiatrist to me as much as a spirit guide.
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  scotoma

  I have read a lot of books by Jung. And I have read favorable and unfavorable biographies. The only thing that I like about Jung is that he felt God should be a Quaternity NOT a Trinity. He accomplises this by including the Devil in the Godhead. Until we accept that the Devil is a necessary God function we will never get cured.
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  doofdaddy

  I agree mindseye

  What I was commenting on was that "Jung channelled on a regular basis". From what I understand, Jung was in a psychotic state between 1914-18 and wrote via "Philemon". He, as a true "hero" fought through the darkness and came back completely sane. He used this experience as the basis of his further work but as far as I hnow "Philemon" wasn't contacted again...True?
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  doofdaddy

  This spurred my passion to get back to my books...

  R.F.C. Hull, Jung's translater was reluctantly shown the Red Book many years after Jung wrote it under the guidance of "Philemon." Hull said

  He went through everything an insane person goes through...had it not been for his astounding capacity to stand off from those experiences, to observe and understand what was happening, he would have been overwhelmed by the psychotic material that came through the "dividing wall." His achievement lay in hammering that material into a system of psychotherapy that worked (Jung:Dierdre Bair 2004 Page 293).
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  ProdigalSon

  mindseye: Of course, detractors use this to mock Jung and dismiss him as a 'mystic'.

  This is what bothers me about 'religious' people....Bible worshippers... and the JW mindset.....this is something I was never really able to understand....

  Why is it that humans have these 'psychic' abilities, but only Satan, his demons and anyone who worships them are allowed to use it? They talk to the dead. They can move things around with their minds. That's quite an advantage, isn't it? What is it about tapping into whatever is "out there" that whoever wrote the Bible was obviously scared shitless of the masses ever finding out? If it's so "forbidden", then why did Jehober design the system the way he did? Did that ever make sense to any of you? I'm curious......

  A JW should look up Edgar Cayce and see all the people he healed in his life. It drained all his life force, but he had an abundance of it. He stands far above you JW mutts who turn your back on your neighbor.
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  doofdaddy

  I do not attempt to explain the collective unconscious to xians because soon as you say that this timeless, spaceless knowledge could be called by some, "god" their eyes glaze over and you see their mind close even further.

  As far as mystical powers being an advantage, well Jung is an example of diving into the river and nearly drowning, rather than filling his cupped hand and taking a sip. There are mysteries yet to be understood. Jung aparrantly used this short intense period to base the rest of his life's studies but turned more to dreams and synchronicity to guide his life. What an amazing individual. As said before, a true hero in every sense!
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  Satanus

  'I do not attempt to explain the collective unconscious to xians because soon as you say that this timeless, spaceless knowledge could be called by some, "god" their eyes glaze over and you see their mind close even further.'

  I try to refrain. Since all are part of it, they can discover it for themselves, when/if they are ready. If not ever, that's ok, too.

  S
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  designs

  One of the fascinating phenoms about xJWs who seek to stay religious is how often they end up in groups with the same narrow mind set and controlling atmosphere they left behind.
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  Band on the Run
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  Satanus

  Where are jung's ideas narrow or controlling?

  S