The way they probe you - unbelievable

by Anony Mous 60 Replies latest members private

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Again, this is simply to show the amount of information that is collected about you in some of your most trying times and secretly sent to the WTBTS. Especially the last paragraphs shows how little love the 'shepherds' really have. I don't know if HIPAA or any other law that requires this to be kept secret comes into play.

    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses

    NY Service Committee

    2891 Route 22

    Patterson, NY 12563-2228

    Re: L L (C)-A Congregation #99999

    Dear Brothers,

    We are writing you this letter in order to receive direction on how to handle an issue with a publisher in our congregation who aborted a baby.

    The publisher is L L who has been a member of the A Congregation since ? L is currently in good standing in the congregation. In the past, L has attempted to get pregnant numerous times, most of her pregnancies resulted in miscarriages. In fact, she has had 7 miscarriages After Surgery in 2009 to correct some deficiencies and to firm up her womb she was able to deliver a full term, healthy boy at the end of her previous pregnancy. L became pregnant again at the end of 2009, approximately October or the beginning of November.

    On Sunday, February 14, 2010 around 11 PM, L C began experiencing pain in her abdomen. This pain was followed by gushing liquid and blood from her vaginal area. L suspected something serious was wrong and was associated with her then pregnancy. She contacted her doctor’s office that evening who advised her to come in the next morning. Once she arrived at the doctor’s office, she was examined. L’s obstetrician concluded that the baby was aborting itself. As a result, they performed a Dilation and Curettage (D&C) on L. This procedure should remove any fetal tissue, the placenta and any other matter associated with the pregnancy. L was sent home the next morning despite complaining about the severe pain she had.

    On February 19th, L received a phone call from her doctor’s office asking her to return. It was explained that when they received the results from the tests run on her blood taken after the procedure on February 14th, her hormone levels had tripled suggesting she was still pregnant. Upon arriving at the doctor’s office, L had an ultrasound performed. The technician had trouble finding the baby at first, but eventually found the baby in her fallopian tube. In order to be sure, the technician consulted with another ultrasound technician who agreed that the baby was located in the fallopian tube. They attempted to get L’s doctor to verify their findings, but the doctor advised that she would review the results later. However, L was instructed to report to S Hospital for surgery to remove the fetus from her fallopian tube.

    The surgery was performed that evening. During the surgery, L’s fallopian tube was damaged and removed entirely.

    On February 21st, when L was returning home from the hospital, she received a call from the hospital urging her to return immediately. It was discovered that no fetal tissue was found in her fallopian tube. The baby must still be inside her body somewhere. L refused to return on that day because of the way she was treated and because she was exhausted and in a great deal of pain. She decided to return to the hospital two days later on February 23rd. During all their ordeal none of our local elders were contacted to appraise the elders or to request assistance/advice.

    After being readmitted on February 23rd, one of the doctors on her case advised her to take a pill without explaining what it was. L demanded to know what the pill was and what it would do. The doctor explained that it was to abort the baby that was still inside her. L refused and asked to speak with another doctor. The doctor that offered her the pill was removed from her case.

    A little while later that morning, several senior doctors reviewed her case. It was discovered that the baby was still alive in her uterus. However, the part of her uterus that it was in, the upper right corner, it couldn’t survive. L was advised by the doctors to have the baby removed or risk rupturing her uterus, killing her baby as well as herself. She consulted with her father, L C Sr., an elder in the A Congregation, and older brother, L C Jr., an elder in the I R Congregation, who advised her to end the pregnancy. This decision was based on research they had done at the hospital in the publications published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. As a result, L informed the doctors to go ahead with the abortion. The doctors performed the operation to abort the baby and remove it from L’s body. The baby was in such a complicated area of L’s uterus that the doctors had to remove that part of her uterus.

    Wednesday March 17, 2010 was the first time the coordinating elder was appraised of a portion of L L’ health issues. This was done by her father, L C Sr., stating that L was home and in need of comfort. When asked why, the coordinator, D P, was told that she had a miscarriage and the fetus was lodged in the fallopian tube and that during surgery the doctors had to take the baby and the fallopian tube since both mother and child’s life was at risk.

    Brothers, we would like to receive direction on this matter. The questions we have are as follows: Was L within her rights to end the pregnancy under these conditions? Should she have sought a second opinion especially considering the lapses in judgment the doctors and hospital had made prior to the final procedure? If we need to take some sort of action, what should it be?

    We thank you for the work you brothers continue to do and the support you give us.

    Sincerely,

    _____________________ _____________________ _____________________

    Coordinator Secretary Service Overseer

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Freaking legalistic bastards. WTF? Their obvious focus is NOT on the well being of this poor sister that went through this, it was on whether they should PUNISH her.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Wtf! Omg, what freaking arseholes!

  • tec
    tec

    Never mind that she fought not to abort. Never mind that she was in an incredible amount of pain. Never mind her ordeal of misdiagnosis. Never mind that we are supposed to comfort and serve this woman. Just "should we take action against her, because we don't want to miss out on that."

    That is one of the coldest things I have ever read.

    Tammy

  • Igot2bme
    Igot2bme

    IMO that would be a major HIPPA violation, the only way it wouldn't be is if she knew that they were sharing this info and had given permission for it. In any case with this privileged info being given out to other parties you would think there could be some legal ramifications against the society for that.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    The woman must have been in mourning after loosing her baby and they want to know if they should disfellowship her. What BS***. A person in such a situation should never be put through suspicion of being "a threat to the congregation", "unrepentant" or all the other contrived terms to justify the punishment of shunning.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Witch hunting bastards!

    Bet it wouldn't happen if it was a man who might have taken blood on purpose.

    Oh, nooo, just keep that quiet cuz the society needs more men.

    Sisters? Bag of bones and hank of hair.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Oh, mercy me!

    First, she had to deal with incompetent medical people, now, the even more incompetent religious shepherds.

    They can't even distinguish between appraise and apprise, and yet they are to sit in judgment of this poor soul?

    Unloving, controlling morons!

    This makes me so very angry.

    Syl

  • allelsefails
    allelsefails

    Angry as hell. As an Elder I would always put love ahead of rules. This is the kind of thing that loses lawsuits for the WTS. Elders are too stupid (or castrated) to do the RIGHT thing in a given situation. They have to do the "Lawful" thing by WTS rules. WTF

  • pontoon
    pontoon

    When the father told the coordinator that she needed comfort after having a miscarriage that should have been the END of the explanation. Period. So we are suppose to have bible trained consciences to reason out proper decisions but if some jack ass elder doesn't like it wer're in trouble? On a similiar thought, a few years ago every bethelite had to sign a release saying that the bethel office or whatever they called it had the right to look at any bethelite's medical records. This religion is going so far away from the purpose of worshiping Jehovah.

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