Ciro Aulicino's hypocrisy

by Dogpatch 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Hi all,
    I just received a tape of a talk given by Ciro Aulicino from October of last year, right after the Sept. 11th tragedy. This guy makes every effort to sound like the 70s circuit overseer Floyd Kite (Armageddon is right at the door! etc.), only it is WORSE because Kite was embarrassed 25 years ago over his nonsense and has had to live it down. I guess Ciro figures that being at Bethel he will never face embarassment for his words.

    But the more amazing thing about the lecture is that Ciro was the one who, under authority of Lloyd Barry of the Governing Body, apparently went down and signed up with the United Nations as a NGO secretly in 1991! Virtually the entire organization knew nothing about this, and few still do. Ciro blasts the U.N. in this talk as if there was nothing hypocritical whatsoever in his stance. Check it out:
    http://www.randytv.com/whatfutureholds.htm

    He also discusses his view of the Sept. 11th tragedy, witnessing to the firefighters and police, and "miracles" that happened along the way. He mentions 7 elders were elected from a circuit to go to ground zero to comfort the firemen, and how they were let in and the clergy weren't for a while. He says about the tragedy, "We are doing everything we can." He says 50 victims were housed at Bethel temporarily after the tragedy. He says "we must obey the organization." He reminds the listeners that "We're not going to read that apostate garbage." And he finishes in prayer warning the listeners about their dress codes! If any of you want to hear Ciro, check it out! It is 65 minutes long, but I separated it into three segments on Real Audio to make it more listenable. All you need is a 28k modem and the free Real Audio player, which you can get from www.real.com (look around for the free version, it's there).

    If anyone is able to type a transcript of this message, please let me know at [email protected], as this would be even more helpful in showing others what kind of persons run this organization. It would be good to tell Witnesses wherre they can listen to the talk, too. It is "New Light," especially his speculation on the Muslims being the King of the North. Ciro is a major player at Bethel and has been for many years, so this is no rogue information.

    In the news today interrestingly enough, U.S. president Bush shows the value of using NGOs and the United Nations to get relief to others. I believe this is the real reason the Watchtower joined the U.N. as an NGO, to accomplish their financial and political moves in other countries. Bush said:

    "I'm deeply concerned about the plight of the average Palestinian, the moms and dads who are trying to raise their children, to educate their children," Bush said. "I've got $300 million in the budget to go through NGOs (non-governmental organizations) to help Palestinians be able to realize a better life."
    http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/07/US.meast/index.html

    Randy Watters

    United Nations/Watchtower Scandal:
    http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm

    Net Soup
    http://www.freeminds.org

  • sf
    sf

    "I believe this is the real reason the Watchtower joined the U.N. as an NGO, to accomplish their financial and political moves in other countries. Bush said:

    "I'm deeply concerned about the plight of the average Palestinian, the moms and dads who are trying to raise their children, to educate their children," Bush said. "I've got $300 million in the budget to go through NGOs (non-governmental organizations) to help Palestinians be able to realize a better life."

    Hahaha George is so obvious "These Last Days" in practically everything he utters.

    I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ALL THAT WATCHTOWERS TESTICLES ARE INSYNC WITH THESE UNITED NATIONS AND ELITE "MEN AND WOMEN".

    All these church molestations coming to light...what's Bush got to say there? And money for those victims? I speculate that BUSH CAMP knows very well what's going on inside the between the Walls of The Watchtower.

    Who owns MSNBC?

    If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger

  • mommy
    mommy

    Thanks Randy!
    Listening to it now, and started typing it out for you, but both tasks were putting me to sleep. I have some free time tomorrow and don't mind transcribing this for ya. If I had a pause button it would make it much easier. Anyway I can get you to send me so I can upload on my PC? I might need to give you another email, Yahoo may not take a large load. Let me know, either way I will start tomorrow.
    wendy

    When I leave, you will know I have been here

  • mommy
    mommy

    LOL Oh man! This is too much! I wonder if anyone thought of sending this to the UN?

    BTW he says at one point even correcting himself. "When Jesus started to reign.... and Satan was cast down from heaven in 1914,(corrective backpeddling) between 1914-1918."

    HUH? Are they now teaching it was between these dates? Or have they always?
    wendy

    When I leave, you will know I have been here

  • Perry
    Perry

    [He says "we must obey the organization." He reminds the listeners that "We're not going to read that apostate garbage."/]

    Sounds like they are running scared with statements like these.

    I remember a tape of Ciro circulating about 10 years ago on the "Trial of Jesus" I still have have half of it I think. He's a very motivating speaker, unlike Lloyd "Nyquil" Barry. Do you think he's vying for GB status one day? Maybe the new WT seer, ala Freddie Franz?

    Perry

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Aulicino is making a major attempt at damage control. His speech is filled with standard JW rhetoric, and he pushes it hard. No wonder, given he was under the gun big time for his role in embarrassing the Society over the U.N. scandal. He's thoroughly brainwashed with that typical arrogant, but completely ignorant, JW nonsense that ties willy nilly a bunch of crazy scriptures together into something that "points" to "the end".

    Aulince is a disgusting hypocrite. He speaks glowingly of how JWs should be brave when Armageddon breaks out and rely on Jehovah, yet when he himself is confronted today with evidence of his own corruption, he turns tail and runs away: "Yipe! Yipe! Yipe!" is his call. A few weeks after the U.N. scandal broke I called him in his office at Brooklyn Bethel, identified myself and said I wanted to ask him about the "U.N. business". He immediately said, "I won't talk to you" and hung up. What a friggin' coward!

    I have no doubt whatsoever that all JW leaders are as cowardly as Aulicino. They can make big, self-praising speeches in God's name to an audience of fawning Jehovah's Witnesses, but the proof that they have no courage is that they always refuse to deal with knowledgeable critics, either in print or in person. Aulicino's speech and conduct are perfect examples of what JW leaders are all about.

    AlanF

  • slipnslidemaster
    slipnslidemaster

    Right after 911 I was joking about the King of the North being the Afghanies. I then was joking about how the Muslim world would be the new King of the North having defeated the previous King of the North (USSR).

    Boy, these guys are too predictable. Using JW logic, I should be able to predict the King of the North and the King of the South for the next 100 years. Oops, 1 year? 2 years? Oh that's right, new light on the generation too.

    What does Ciro gain by shifting 1914 to "between 1914-1918"? 4 years? Make it 1919 and gain 5 years? For what? Or is he just trying to fuzz the line so that everything looks softer then a hard date that they usually do?

    Is there a shift in Bethel to start talking in generalities and vagueness?

    Slipnslidemaster: "Just because I look sexy on the cover of Rolling Stone doesn't mean I'm naughty."
    - Britney Spears

  • sf
    sf

    Hey Alan! What's the number? Perhaps if he gets enough calls on this it will cause Chaos. Or do we want to cause Chaos?

    The number please.

    sKally, GET SMART klass

    If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Thank you Wendy and others, two people have already done the transcript, and I will have it up shortly!
    thanks,
    Randy

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Call 718-560-5000 and ask to talk to Ciro Aulicino. That's the main Bethel switchboard number. Be nice.

    AlanF

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