Re: Survey for US people: America is the best?

by fodeja 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    I think that if you are rich it doesn't make any difference where you live - you're only a flight away from where you may want to be.

    But if you're not rich the US is the next best thing.

    The USA is great because its two biggest neighbors are the Atlantic and Pacific. People were able to get away from useless traditions and class systems the held them down.

    Although I detest the high-handedness and arrogance of the USA I have no desire to live anywhere else. It's a beautiful country, with a temperate climate, - from sea to shining sea.

  • Max Divergent
    Max Divergent

    I tend to think: 'The western world is the western world is the western world'.

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    First the questions and answers:

    1) Do you think the USA are the best country in the world, and can you tell us why (not) in one short sentence? NO it is not. The Plutocracy (rule of the rich) is one primary factor but the great unraveling of this country is ubiquitous and goes far beyond politics and has made America one of the major world problems instead of offering hope for the future.

    2) What are your criteria for comparing countries? I use a formula that includes the quality of life, the amount of freedom people enjoy, the social infrastructure, the environment, the cost of living, the human happiness quotient, the political system, health care, geophysical and geographical factors, the climate, physical infrastructure, crime and safety, social awareness, and other factors.

    3) Do you think you are well-informed about the rest of the world? Above average.

    4) Are you making an active effort to inform yourself about the rest of the world, or do you listen to and watch what's presented to you? I’m well aware of the extensive bias and propaganda in the American news media. I actively look at a variety of news sources that I look at and draw my conclusions based on the most logical and objective analysis.

    5) What is your primary source of information about other countries? I primarily use the Internet including real time news video thereon from a couple of dozen news sources. I seldom watch television. For detailed information, I read books, journals, go to regional discussion boards in different countries, talk to people who live there, etc.

    6) Do you think your primary source of information gives you a fairly accurate, unbiased, and complete picture of other countries? Why? Not as much as I would like but an improvement over what the average American is exposed to. I don’t think you really get to know what other countries are like until you actually live there for awhile (as distinguished from a short packaged tour).

    7) First-hand experience: have you ever been to any other countries/continents of the world, and for how long? Can you share some experiences with us? Mostly brief visits to Canada and Mexico. I plan on doing extensive international travel in a few years after I expatriate myself from the USA.

    Having said this though, there are many good things to be said for the United States. First there are many incredibly good and open hearted, intelligent, and socially positive people in this country. People are often very friendly and want to do the right thing. The number of people who are truly deplorable humans is actually quite small. Another positive thing I can say about this country is that even while many people are corrupted by the economic system and continue to exploit others, a person can make a very good living here if they are smart, ambitious, and work hard. I have personally witnessed many people become millionaires. Yet another thing that is wonderful about this country is the many beautiful parks and wilderness areas and the pretty countryside.

    America is also a land of research and ideas, some of which change the world. American culture offers hope of a better life for people around the world. It does have a lot going for it but I see the writing on the wall and recognize that for approximately the next 20 years this country is going into a cycle that has repeated itself clearly for the last 500 years and that is called the Fourth Turning or Great Crisis. In Western civilization these are the defining moments when a country either emerges to a new cycle of prosperity and greatness or ends up in bloody wars (the Civil War is one example of this cycle going wrong).

    As the old saying goes: love it or leave it...well I plan on leaving it not so much for sour grapes but that I see myself as a world person now and no longer as an American. I think nationalism is just another manipulative tool used by others to subvert you and use you to their ends, such as is the current nationalistic campagin. Globalization will happen, much faster than we care to realize and the nation state will continue to lose importance and power whereas transnational corporations and other power elites will be those really in charge. In fact, most politics are about big business in this country not about what is best for the citizens.

    How do other countries stack up? Many European countries and Australia have a higher quality of life, so does Canada. The American health care system didn't even rate in the top ten list the last time I checked with other countries. What I like best though are governments that minimize their role in your life and have the attitude of what can we do to improve the quality of your life instead of: put your wallet in my pocket.

    Skipper

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I wanted to say Fodeja, that I found your post interesting. I too am perplexed by the religion of nationalism and patriotism in the USA.

    I think, for me personally it is just a stunning disbelief that so many people making up the supposed 'greatest country in the world' still think and act in the manner they do at this point in history.

    For a country that is supposedly the best, it is always ranked behind several other countries on the UN best countries lists. It would be nice if a world class power could at least educate its citizens to act that way, instead of indoctrinating them with propaganda to just think they are the best.

    Arrogance is such a big turnoff, especially when there is no substance behind it. All the money and power in the world can't buy class.

    Path

  • fodeja
    fodeja

    Thanks for all your responses so far; I really appreciate it.

    Though I've spent some time in the USA (must be about 7 months total), I've never really, directly asked people about this.

    Quick note for Amazing: you asked "Do you see any comparable pattern?"

    The point is that I see a difference here: there's the "it's my homeland" or "no place like home" kind of patriotism which I understand quite well. What's puzzling me is the belief that this specific country is, by some usually unspoken standards, objectively the best in the world.

    f.

  • Xena
    Xena

    Do I think the US is the best....well it is the best for me and mine since it is ours. I think people just don't understand the US mentality. We tend to be very outgoing outspoken people. We fought hard for the freedoms that we have and we are proud of that fact. Yes sometimes we may seem a bit arrogant but usually it is just an overwelming pride in what we have built here.

    I don't knock other countries. I have lived in Spain (3 years) and German (2years) and traveled quite extensively and enjoyed immensively the diverse cultures and people that I have met. I am sure for them their country is the best...and I am happy for them and would never disagree with them...I think pride in where you live is a very positive thing and would deny NO ONE this....

    Shame not everyone feels the same way, huh?

  • Julie
    Julie

    1) Do you think the USA are the best country in the world, and can you tell us why (not) in one short sentence?

    I do not know as I've never lived in another country. America is my home though and I greatly appreciate the freedoms we have.

    2) What are your criteria for comparing countries?

    Again, I cannot. The only other country I've been too was Canada and it seemed quite similar to me--except the beer was better.

    3) Do you think you are well-informed about the rest of the world?

    I do regarding some matters but not regarding so much what it is like to live there. I am glad I do not live in a third world nation though.

    4) Are you making an active effort to inform yourself about the rest of the world, or do you listen to and watch what's presented to you?

    Yes, I try very hard to keep up with what is going on in the rest of the world and a primary reason for this is so that I can teach my children. We all have a place in this world and a responsibilty to it IMO.

    5) What is your primary source of information about other countries?

    Personally I am a news junkie and I like to read newspapers from lots of different countries via the internet. Only from reading their own perspectives do I think I can really get a feel for how they think/view the world.

    6) Do you think your primary source of information gives you a fairly accurate, unbiased, and complete picture of other countries? Why?

    I try to get info from various sources, combine it all and come up with what is likely true. I know there are many great countries in this world and I greatly look forward to visiting some of them.

    7) First-hand experience: have you ever been to any other countries/continents of the world, and for how long? Can you share some experiences with us?

    Used to spend summers in Canada, which is hardly foreign to one from Michigan but I found the people very nice, generous and never had a bad experience there.

    I think it is when people put the we-are-better-than-you attitudes aside only then will we be able to accomplish great things for the Greater Good of humanity.

    Regards,
    Julie the foolish idealist

  • alamb
    alamb

    My husband is 8th generation white South African. He has lived in Europe also. He was a merchant marine and travelled around the world many times. He has been here 5 years now and every now and then when we pull up the drive or snuggle in bed, he will say, "I finally feel like I am home. I'm glad to be in America." He has lived in horrendous conditions due to civil climates we cannot understand. I think he has some credibility when it comes to this matter, and I trust it.

    I was born and raised here. I can't be a true judge, but it is right for me.

    Remember the story of the man at the gates of the city and those entering asked him what sort of city it was? I think that applies as well. It is what you make it.

    Oh, and he is the world's best husband.

  • julien
    julien

    What I don't understand is why the rest of the world seems to get so offended at American arrogance. If the arrogance is warranted then the rest of the world is just jealous. If it is not warranted then America is deluded and foolish - so let us have our superiority complex in peace. Either way why do people even care what we think. I think Amazing gave the best example: I don't mind at all when he says his wife is the best -- even though I know he's wrong and my wife is the best. He can think what he wants.

    The whole thing reminds me of unpopular kids in High School who resented, disliked, or assumed the worst about popular kids just because they were popular or rich.

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    I believe the U.S. used to be, to a greater extent, the best country in the world. It was certainly the wealthiest, with the most economic freedom. We have, since our beginning, been the epitome of rugged individualism. Unfortunately, we seem to be drifting more and more into the stateist, socialistic image of much of Europe. A Europe where citizens look for the government to provide for their needs. We seem to want greater government involvement in our lives to minimize lifes economic risks.

    As we become more like our socialist counterparts in Europe and Asia, I believe you could argue that the U.S. will not be the best country in the world. When we begin to view ourselves strictly as groups and sub-groups of people instead of individuals, I think we will be no better than any other country. We may not be there yet, but we're getting there fast. I don't predict this to be an alarmist, because it may simply be inevitable. But individualism is really what has set us apart from other nations.

    "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College

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