by metatron 27 Replies latest jw friends
That's right PP, being ridiculed at school for being a Jehovah's Witness is harrowing enough for a straight kid, but then being told that Jehovah hates you too....
Looking back I do not know how I got through my teens & early twenties.
The 60's & early 70's did not offer much in the way of help to gay kids & the borg offered even less.
Hoab
So God hates homosexuality? Well, then why does his organization (or so-called organization) do all it can to promote it? Anyone else notice that witlesses are too often paired in same-sex arrangements? You go to Beth Hell, you are paired with a same-sex roommate for extended periods. Join the Value Destroyer Training School? Your instructors are same-sex. (Same for other "schools(??)" where husband-and-wife are not the students.) The Pio-Sneer Assist Program paired same-sex partners to go door to door, for a prolonged period. (Usually, 6 months at a time.) They usually encourage same-sex pairings in field circus, except parents with children or husband and wife. Studies are also same-sex--any opposite sex study is handed to a witless of the same sex as the student. If this isn't enough to promote latent homosexuality, I don't know what is.
And an experience I nearly had to go through would have created a situation that they claim God hates. The dingbat that dragged me into the cancer (same sex) became too attached to me (or, what he could get out of me) and wanted me to move into an apartment complex he was starting a new job managing around 8 months into my study. Besides encouraging him to get sexually involved with me, at least when he felt he could get away with it, it would have exposed me to having him inviting his nephew and getting me involved. (At the time, his nephew was 8 years old.) Without having actually made that move, it is impossible for me to say conclusively whether or not anything of the sort would have happened. But, any risk created by the organization that claims to hate homosexuality would be too much.
Besides the blatant hypocrisy, why would a just god hate someone displaying a mere symptom? Homosexuality is nothing more than a symptom. Whether it be a genetic disorder (or merely a genetic trait), the result of too much fluoride or BPA's ingested in childhood, laziness, or poor emotional development (which the witless structure actually generates), homosexuality is merely a symptom. Trying to "cure" it is futile. And, if it is genetic or a result of pesticide or plastic pollution early on, "curing" it is going to be impossible. Any god that will not accept it in those situations is merely unjust. And, any god that will happily create conditions during youth (including holding people back from growing up) that create homosexuality as a symptom, and then bash the homosexuality, is blaming the victim. Either way, it is totally unjust to hate what you have created or helped an organization create.
I think saying Watchtower's god hates homosexuality is narrowing it too much.
Watchtower god hates ALL sexuality. They talk about sex like they talk about murder and violence and stealing, often in the very same sentence.
Haters gotta Hate!
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Lovers gotta Love!
wow, i can't wait to pass that out!!!
WT Said: Anyone else notice that witlesses are too often paired in same-sex arrangements?
Hey WT, I get the spirit of what you are saying, but I just have to point this out. You could have paired me with 20 drop-dead georgeous lesbians---hell, you could have made us share a bed---I wouldn't have been interested. I'm not gay, (and I'm a woman). I think that is more the point. It's not something that is created--at least under normal circumstances. No outside force can convince me otherwise. Which is why it's equally ridiculous to think that pairing a homosexual with someone of the opposite sex will somehow turn them straight. They aren't straight.
I knew a sister that worked at a place that hired several openly gay individuals. She was freaked out and stressed all the time. She literally had bags under her eyes from the stress! LOL She told me she was being sexually harrassed! I asked her if anyone had said anything sexual to her, or perhaps a lesbian was hitting on her? She said no, in her mind the harrassment existed just because they did. I've said it before, and I'll repeat, even when I was in, I didn't have a problem with homosexuals. Actually, dubbie overreaction irritated the crap out of me, because I felt it was out of balance with their reactions to other "sins". In their eyes, murder was easier to handle than homosexuality. I had a really hard time not just rolling my eyes at this sister and telling her to grow up. However, I knew she would find nothing but support for her baseless accusations at the Kingdom Hall.
NC
In their eyes, murder was easier to handle than homosexuality.
That's because in the Bible Jehovah encouraged the Israelites to murder, murder, murder, at least so long as it was committed against "pagans".
However, he threw the book at anyone who even hinted at homosexuality.
"What Does the Bible Really Teach? That murder is perfectly fine, given the right circumstances, but homosexuality never is."
I have said more than once that a person can be guilty of any sin among Jehovah's Witnesses and get little grief for it with the exception of being gay. That is the absolute worst offense a Witness can be guilty of. For one thing, it means you won't be busy procreating and thus bringing more little Witnesses into the world. For another, gay people are obviously only in the organization so they can recruit more people for their perverted lifestyle, or so many Witnesses choose to believe. Gay people are simply not wanted in the organization, even if they are celibate. They are considered the scum of the earth. That's the official position of the Governing Body as can be seen by this latest convention release, and sadly, many of the rank-and-file are equally homophobic. So when anyone, young or old, wants to get any kind of understanding about being gay, JWs are not the people to go to.
Quendi
Well, it just gets beyond ridiculous. It's like they think they can "catch the gay". They really think that allowing their children to associate with gay people might make them gay. I don't know how I ever stood this ignorant group of people for as long as I did. I'm really disappointed in myself, but somehow, it used to make sense. UGH, I will kick myself for as long as I live.
I remember a grown sister in my car while I was listening to Alanis Morsette, and no, it wasn't You Oughta Know, I'm pretty sure they could never handle that one and the layers of meaning, but anyway, she has a lyric where she says she's holding a cigarrette. Well this woman let out this audible intake of breath, like she'd just witnessed a porn scene taking place in the intersection. I was soooooo irritated. I told her it wasn't all that shocking, and she should have developed a bit of a thick skin in her 40 years for godsake. Only I didn't say god's sake. I wanted to.
They really are removed from the real world. With that kind of reaction from just a mention of the word cigarette, what do we expect when it comes to homosexuality?
NC
Jehovah; hates all humanity. It is quite clear. Jesus, on the other hand, loves humanity. God surveyed his creation and deemed it"very good" in the aggregate. No one longer believes that homoseuxality is a dark choice done by evil people. Enough people have come out that stereotypes have been crushed. Jesus healed the Samaritan Woman, called Matthrew, a tax collector, as an apostle, suffered the little children to come to him.
Why would he be any different with gays? His 1st century aspect may have but he is the God the present. The Stonewall movement would have educated him. I lived in Greenwich Village for many years and then the East Village. If I have my choice between Jehovah and gay people, I'd vote for gay people.
