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Can someone go to a few meetings a month or none at all, never do field service (yet perhaps talk with a neighbour or leave one magazine/year at a bus stop), etc. and have full assurance of living forever? This may be an acid test of Christian grace/faith alone vs cultic works. Can a person be saved by not being part of the Catholic Church or the WT organization?

Godrulz, there are 2 options to get salvation, according to the watchtower system:

Either, You were so lucky to have not known enough about the witnesses to become a believer before you die AND your death is BEFORE Armaggeddon, you will get a resurrection in paradise. e.g. you live in China and died last year = free ticket to paradise. You live in the USA and had multiple visits of JW and died last year = most probably eternal destruction. You die at Armaggeddon = guaranteed eternal destruction (JW included, he/she must have done something wrong and was not "deserving")

Or, you are a bapized witness and go faithful in service every month, enduring to the very end, to the max of your capacities & life circumstances, never doing a hidden sin, or (God forbid) speak bad about the elders, faitful and discrete slave and other muppets. No works = no salvation. Works = possible salvation. Actually, it is never going to be enough. There is always an extra goal you have to set yourself to improve yourselves, never being sure if even that is enough. Grace is hardly ever used amongst witnesses. Going to a few meetings or leaving one magazine a year is not going to do the trick. Right now the actual wording used lately = you must "qualify" to get saved. You can imagine the pressure to perform is up.

It is all part of the mind control techniques

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The Convention invent did say I could go to a lecture and find out how I could qualify to have paradise. I asked a JW at a convention if someone about to die in a plane crash could get right with God and how. In light of the long indoctrination process, he could not give me the hope that the thief on the cross had with one prayer. As an opposer, I am probably in big doo doo in the WT system. Thankfully, as a Christian, I have full assurance of salvation and eternal life now (present, continuous tense in I Jn. 5:11-13 and Jn. 3:16) based on grace and His finished work on my behalf apart from works (Jn. 1:12; Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:5; Jn. 3:3; Rom. 1:16; Rom. 10:9-10, etc.). This is why the gospel is good news and the works gospel of Islam and the cults is futile. Nothing can be added to His shed blood (Rom. 6:23). The NWT distorts some of these grace verses (like Mormon Nephi verse that says we are saved by grace after all we can do?! an addition to Eph. 2) or wrongly attributes them to their 144k class (that is another misinterpretation).

Run from the cult to the Christ. Sell all to find the Pearl of Great Price.

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