Don't feed the troll.
Don't poke sticks through the bars at him.
Walk away and let him sleep.
I know I aint gunna crumble the WT, but a girl can dream!
by 3dogs1husband 72 Replies latest members meetups
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djeggnog
@3dogs1husband:
ok dj please dont just cut and paste whacks and whacks of ......"stuff" about JW's- this post was about a day a year where we could speak truth and have the courage to be able to be true to oneself. this is not about being a franzie (whatever that means)....but maybe it is a bit that you didnt get a do over? If so the floor is yours to start fresh.....
There is something about my messaging style that is distinctively me, and I wouldn't expect you to know this, @3dogs1husband: I never really do any cutting and pasting here unless those cuts and pastes are someone else's words. I rarely quote from any of our publications here -- only the Bible -- and when I do quote from any of them, it is only when it is relevant to do so when discussing some topic where someone else has quoted from one of our publications. (People here will often quote from one of the volumes associated with the Studies in the Scriptures series, for example. I have no idea why they quote from these old publications.)
I know the truth, and I am qualified to teach others, so when you read my words, they are freshly dictated. I will often dictate many of the things I post here, which is one of the reasons I do not do any cutting and pasting here. You may not have been aware of this, but many people here know that they will not find my words quoted verbatim in any of our publications. I'm not tied to our publications as are many Jehovah's Witnesses that do not yet know the truth, but will swear that they do, even though they are always researching, always learning, although never seeming to be "able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth." (2 Timothy 3:7) I read our publications and take away from them many tips from them that help me in my preaching and teaching work.
You may not know this to be true, but many of the folks here are disciples of Raymond Franz, and I tend to think of these people as members of the cult founded by Franz since one might think that one must study one or both of his two books in their Bible study program to become a true Franzites. There are other books that are studied here on JWN, but these are two of the books that are widely recommended here on JWN.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
everyone around her was playing games on their phones. Maybe their were some angry birds at the picnic!
Yeah, plenty of texting going on around me. And lots of sleeping. It was such a bore, but it was my LAST!
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flipper
Hello 3DOGS, 1HUSBAND . I have 2DOGS, 2CATS, 1 WIFE !
I totally understand what you are saying, I have lots of JW family still on the inside and I see hope for the younger generation ( 18-35 yr.olds ) of waking up to the reality they've been duped by the WT society. Lots of young people ARE exiting the JW's currently. Out of 8 nieces, nephews, including my 3 adult children in that number - 4 of the 8 have exited the Witnesses. They are all between the ages of 22 to 37 . Only 1 of those 4 that have left is my son. My 2 daughters are still fanatically pioneering JW's.
But the way my son and I look at it is to live our life well, yet keep our hearts open to the possibility of the day down the road when his sisters ( my daughters ) may in time have some life changing experience, suffer injustices from inside the JW's that may make them question things. And if and when that happens we will be here unconditionally for them waiting to show love and support to help them move on from the JW cult. So yes indeed we all have our dreams. And it's certainly not wrong to dream. Sometimes dreams come true. Hang in there sis
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3dogs1husband
Hey Djeggnog it definitly seems that you read wt material it comes thru in your writting style, i think the whole cult Franzites thing is a bit out there, but hey every one needs a conspiracy therory.
hmmmmm looking at your post you said regarding why one might come here"they cannot approach their local elders or don't want to approach them, so they come here for solace and I give it to them, even if they should expect the folks here on JWN to side with the reasons for their disgruntled state. I'm here to provide spiritual solace to those that want it. Not everyone's faith is strong enough to handle the statements made by many of the apostates here that will test one's faith, that will let people know if their faith in God is weak or strong, so I wouldn't recommend that just anyone read many of the posts here on JWN."
How sad is it to be in a religion where reading a statement or an idea, could destroy a persons faith, rather then bring scrutiny and make it stronger. In order to have members they need full controll of thought and ideas, beacuse as you said this site would test faith in the WT, because it doesnt stand under real scrutiny...only under thought controll.
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3dogs1husband
Hi Flipper! Awesome yes we need to keep the dreams alive. You are so right on the age group, but hey i'm counting on a couple of the aging broke babyboomers getting the light as well!
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breakfast of champions
I'm with you! Mentally out, physically in and waiting for a miracle ( which, technically I don't believe in.) I think we're due for something 'big' in the next 5 or so years that will hopefully aid some more of our families/friends out. We shall see.
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3dogs1husband
hey thanks Breakfast of C! I am a little more the just mentally out...however stuck in a holding pattern. I cant move on with life or I loose all my family....sigh.
This years dc is not going to help much!.....ugh i feel your pain
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djeggnog
@3dogs1husband wrote:
Do you have any [suggestions] (articles, scriptures, etc) that I could share with my loved ones to make them more comfortable veering from the hard line the society takes on "apostate" websites such as this?
@djeggnog wrote:
The fact that I'm here ought to inform you that JWN is not an apostate website. It really wouldn't be wise in my opinion for anyone to just believe what anyone else says should they tell you anything different than this; they are not running JWN and I don't either. You could ask @Simon if it is true that JWN is an apostate website before taking anyone else's word to this effect; he runs this website and would know what it is and isn't. But what you believe and why is up to you. Just because JWN is frequently visited by apostates doesn't undermine my reasons for being here, which is not because I'm bitter against anyone or want to persuade others to take a course in opposition to God's will. Many of those on the proverbial fence -- some of them lurkers -- come to JWN because they have doubts about their faith. They cannot approach their local elders or don't want to approach them, so they come here for solace and I give it to them, even if they should expect the folks here on JWN to side with the reasons for their disgruntled state. I'm here to provide spiritual solace to those that want it. Not everyone's faith is strong enough to handle the statements made by many of the apostates here that will test one's faith, that will let people know if their faith in God is weak or strong, so I wouldn't recommend that just anyone read many of the posts here on JWN.
@3dogs1husband wrote:
How sad is it to be in a religion where reading a statement or an idea, could destroy a persons faith, rather then bring scrutiny and make it stronger. In order to have members they need full [control] of thought and ideas, [because] as you said this site would test faith in the WT, because it doesnt stand under real scrutiny...only under thought [control.]
Please re-read what it what I actually wrote (quoted above and underscored) and you should see that I didn't say that JWN would test anyone's faith in the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, which is a publishing corporation that is staffed by Jehovah's Witnesses, and cannot save anyone. It is merely the arm that Jehovah's Witnesses use to produce the literature that we distribute to those in our ministry. Nor did I say a thing about JWN testing anyone's faith in Jehovah's Witnesses, for Jehovah's Witnesses cannot save anyone either.
Not everyone's faith is strong enough to handle the statements made by many of the apostates here that will test one's faith, that will let people know if their faith in God is weak or strong, so
I spoke about "faith in God," so when examining the context of my statement, I was referring to how one's faith in God would be tested by virtue of the way they handle many of the statement made by many of the apostates here on JWN. If anyone is putting their faith in the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, in the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, in any of the local elders that preside over the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide or in anyone else associated with Jehovah's Witnesses instead of putting their faith in God and in the one who gave his life "as a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28), their faith is in vain for there is absolutely no other "name under heaven ... by which we must get saved." (Acts 4:12)
Evidently you don't really believe what the Bible teaches about apostasy, but the Bible mentions an elder named Diotrephes, who not only liked to have first place in the congregation, but didn't receive letters from the governing body with respect, chattering "apostatedly" about fellow elders. (3 John 9, 10) But you don't need to believe me. You will eventually come upon threads where folks that were formerly Jehovah's Witnesses or who continue to be called Jehovah's Witnesses, but who are really wolves in sheep covering, counterfeit Christians, some who are still serving as elders, of course, unbeknownst to the congregations where they are serving as such, and who now embrace Christendom's doctrine of the holy trinity as being wholly scriptural. You might conclude that my opinion as to the reasons for this "development" on their part had nothing to do with any of the statements made by apostates here, and I would not argue with you, and would gladly accept this as being your opinion. I rather like it when folks come to their own conclusions.
You may not now believe that the things Jehovah's Witnesses teach regarding apostasy and apostate websites which is not only based on the Bible but is bolstered by other evidence that demonstrates the wisdom of the Bible's advice regarding "bad associations" (1 Corinthians 15:33), but while a busy intersection can be dangerous to anyone playing near one, such is more dangerous to the inexperienced one that doesn't really know the danger as someone more experienced that is posed by a car or a bus or a truck whizzing by at a speed of 40 miles an hour!
I don't recall if you indicated that you are a mom, but if you were a mom, then I'm sure you would have to not be in your right mind to leave your six-year-old in the care of a brother at his home for 20 or 30 minutes, someone that you knew (or had reason to know) had served two years in prison and had been reinstated after having been disfellowshipped for the sexual abuse of, say, an eight-year-old child some five years ago, am I right? Undoubtedly some here on JWN may have been disfellowshipped for offenses against God and man that they would not be comfortable telling anyone about, but needing friends in their life, they come here with a cover story that may not necessarily be truthful, that may not be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
If you think there can be no dangers that lurk on an internet website -- not necessarily this one, but any internet website -- dangers regarding which you've received no specific warning, then you've got another think coming. All it takes is for someone here that not only PMs you, but emails you and exchanges messages and telephone numbers with you, gaining both your confidence and your trust, to chatter with you and share his or her viewpoints about how the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are becoming rich off the free labor of those staffing the offices in New York and elsewhere, and how the rank and file is being bilked for hundreds of thousands of dollars annually by our governing body (a favorite accusation here, but one that didn't seem to be at all true in Ray Franz case since he didn't leave his duties as a member of the governing body as a rich guy!), for whoever it is that has your ear will really be appealing to your willingness to believe such stupidity, and if you are the sort to believe conspiracy theories and nonsense like these, you'll be turned to the dark side. (No one on the dark side has faith in God or in Christ.)
I'm not someone that only pretends to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses; I don't run Google searches here on JWN or using the Watchtower Library cdrom to research what things I know the Bible teaches. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I make adroit use of the Bible when teaching others. You may view such warnings provided by Jehovah's Witnesses as "mind control," and you are certainly free to reject the notion that a statement or an idea can destroy an individual's faith. Jesus warned that his disciples need to pay attention to how they listen, for if they don't pay attention, then even what faith they might imagine they have will be taken away is what he said. (Luke 8:18)
Maybe you recall reading in the Bible where Jesus related a parable about a man that sowed fine wheat seed in his field, when a man, an "enemy," came along and "oversowed weeds in among the wheat" in this field while everyone was asleep, which Jesus let remain until the harvest when the reapers could easily distinguish the wheat from the weeds. Perhaps you aren't persuaded that there is only one true religion, but this "man" in the parable was Jesus, and that "seed" represented the message about the kingdom of God while the "field" in which the "wheat" had been sown was the world of mankind and the "enemy" that had oversowed this field with "weeds" is the Devil.
The "harvest" is now and the "reapers" that are collecting up these weeds to burn them up are the angels. These "weeds" are all those things that cause stumbling and those persons who are doing lawlessness. It is Jehovah's Witnesses that are associated with the earthly realm of God's kingdom, and it is apostates about whom Jesus says are the ones that "cause stumbling" here during the conclusion of the system of things. (Matthew 13:24-30, 39, 41) But there is but one true religion where only true worshipers are the ones that worship God "with spirit and truth." (John 4:23)
Jesus was the one that was speaking to this Samaritan woman about true worship, and so I'm persuaded that Jesus was associated with the only true religion. Because Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones that are putting faith in what Jesus' name represents, his ransom, while others are merely assigning honor to the personal name of Jesus like they do in assigning honor to the name of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., as they totally ignore that it is Jesus' God and Father that granted to mankind his provision of the ransom as a gift, which gift is saving those who are putting faith in it, I'm also persuaded that Jehovah's Witnesses are associated with the only true religion. (Ephesians 2:8; John 3:16)
@djeggnog
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3dogs1husband
djeggnog you talk to me as though I am a child, you have no idea in how to reach hearts and minds - you type your stupidy up in volumes. Pages and pages of useless words.
I had quoted you correctly. You need an editor someone to cute the useless words outta your rants, make your points and maybe you might even have someone who would bother to take you seriously or maybe even reason on your posts. THEY ARE RIDICULOUS!
here i will try to make your point for you:
Hey 3dogs1husband I was referring to how one's faith in God would be tested by virtue of the way they handle many of the statement made by many of the apostates here on JWN. I know the Bible teaches. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I make adroit use of the Bible when teaching others. You may view such warnings provided by Jehovah's Witnesses as "mind control," and you are certainly free to reject the notion that a statement or an idea can destroy an individual's faith. Jesus warned that his disciples need to pay attention to how they listen, for if they don't pay attention, then even what faith they might imagine they have will be taken away is what he said. (Luke 8:18) The fact that I'm here ought to inform you that JWN is not an apostate website.
I am however not available for further editing. If that is the jest of what you were trying to say, I would answer that the WT could not stand up to this site...(which however you want to spin it IS a site that gives a voice to a LARGE group of APOSTATES) or any site of real truths...or even the public library.
Please use your editing hat before you comment again!