Rutherford: From newsie to Millionaire

by PistAnarkist 12 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • PistAnarkist
    PistAnarkist

    Hi. My name is Andy Pesante, I'm 22 years old, and my father is an Elder of a congregation in Philadelphia. We started going to meetings when I was 12. Living in a crappy big city like Philly can really close your eyes to the real issues surrounding our society.....after all why would you even care when everyone regards each other with a glare right? I met my wife (who also grew up a witness) over the internet, and we eventually eloped together 3 years ago. Now onto the real issue.

    After taking 2 years of my life to really observe the world, present, past, and possible future, I have come to a few conclusions which shocked me..... how could I not notice this earlier? The U.S. government is an evil conglomerate of white males who run this country like a legalized mafia of sorts: they receive a large percentage of everything from businesses to items which are essentially free : land, food, housing etc. in return for military "protection". All the while we take for granted they are handing us the truth and are the "good guys" when in fact they are the most vile people in this world. Their ultimate goal? Mind Control and profit. Now I know some of you are saying "what the heck does this have to do with witnesses?" Well, I took about 5 or so months to do some real research about the society, its founders, and the literature surrounding its conception. What I found was something far worse than what I could have imangined. Everything from racism against blacks and hispanics, false prophecies by Russell and Rutherford ( the 1975 "Armageddon" which never happened), the NGO scandal which I still can't beleive no witnesses know about, policy changes which costed lives to good people (the policy equating organ transplants to cannibalism) the hundreds of people who got disfellwoshipped and how their brainwashed, cult affiliated witness family members totally diregarded them and basically considered them dead, the countless cases of pedophilia and how the victims are kept silent. All the while they wish to not associate with ANYONE who is not of their same faith, very similar to a cult. This is an outrage.

    My point? Well if you compare the Witnesses social structure to that of the United States government, they are extremely similar. I am not stating that I know for a fact they are working together..... but wouldn't it make sense if they were? I mean, how often do you hear witnesses stating how they need not to worry about politics and how they must maintain a state of political neutrality. How they should not worry about their society because God is going to wash away the system. Just follow the authorities that be, maintain your near white male attitudes, go to your jobs, the females keep your heads low, contribute your tax dollars to the system while you are here, and everything will be just fine.

    Now if anyone reading this had half a brain, you would know thats total BS.

    Another factor which makes me lean towards the conspiracy factor and linking it to the government is the fact that ALL..... I repeat ALL the members of the governing body are WHITE. Not one colored guy among them. Lets also not gloss over the fact that nearly all other religions are required to pay taxes for even having their religion, yet Witnesses seem to conveniently evade this policy because all their proceeds are "donations" (which ofcourse the Watchtower Bible and tract society collects on, and this is how they are able to take up that humongous space in Brooklyn, all the while the bethelites get to live for free, as long as they keep pumping those sales). Not to mention how women in the earlier days of our nation were not allowed to vote, much similar to the little, if any, "privilidges" the females receive in the congregations. Funny how when you try to look up info on the starting days of the society, the information is unavailable to the public, and restricted to even the highest members.

    In closing, if I sound like a nut to you, I don't care. I never said that what I have mentioned is my "belief". Just some ideas that ran across my head I'd like to share. The one thing I'd love to point out is this :
    Think of the Watchtower bible and tract society as a business, not a religion. Now if thats not financial success through mind control, I don't know what is. A business where your door-to-door representatives dont get paid crap for what they sell, and you get all the profit. Take a look at the number of witnesses worldwide. Thats more employees than Mcdonalds and Burger King combined, with loyalty to the company that surpasses even Steve Jobs employees (IBM). They even have monthly sales tracking sheets (publisher cards) and if your numbers aren't high enough, then you get looked down upon. Then, as if that weren't enough, they have entire assembly halls built for FREE! Not a dime on construction labor costs, just materials. And the workers DONATE when they work! And isn't it just a wee bit funny how EVERY, and I mean EVERY assembly has a defecit which they announce somewhere around half-time at assembly, to get all those poor people to give as much money as they can. Does anyone here have ANY idea how much it costs to rent a stadium for 3 days? If every attendant at a convention or assembly gave 25 cents, it would be enough to cover the costs. Oh and beleive me, they rake in the money come convention time, because I was a money counter at conventions....dear god the hordes of cash.

    Until I discover the real truth behind the society, I am forced to be a part of a family who considers me to be the lost one. How humorous and yet ironic, in the end I might discover the "truth" after all, but my family will die not even listening to me because that would make me an "Apostate" for trying to open their eyes. Oh well, at least I'm not the one getting screwed by my saviors. It just saddens me that I have to sit by and watch as my family gets stuck in the rut of this cult, wasting their whole (and only) lifetime they have, being restricted and told what to do and how to do it by rich money grubbing a$$holes who are socially destructive through life altering policies. I wish someone out there could help me tell all these poor people the real truth before their lives are completely wasted doing door to door sales for free.

  • larc
    larc

    Pist,

    Welcome to the board. I hope you have enjoyed what you have read here before posting, and I hope you stay and continue to contribute.

    While your distrust of the JWs and the government is healthy, I don't see that they are connected. You said that the JWs are the only ones who do not pay taxes. That simply is not true. All religions have tax exempt status. You state that all the GB are white, yet there are members of the government who are not white, so this comparison breaks down. You state that the systems are the same. They are quite different. The WT is a dictatorship. The government has checks and balances with three branches of government, plus a free press to watch what is going one.

    Also, you lose credibility when you say that Steve Jobs is with IBM. He is/was with Apple Computer.

    I don't mean to be harsh. It is just that I see some problems with your conclusions.

  • Skimmer
    Skimmer

    First, there is a black (Samuel Hurd) on the WTBTS governing body. What is more interesting is that there are (if I recall correctly) no hispanic persons on the GB, while nearly all growth in coming from Spanish speaking countries and regions.

    One might also ask why the GB is made from almost exclusively Americans while five sixths of the rank and file membership is from outside the Unites States.

    I don't think that the WTBTS elite has anything specifically against blacks. They are interested only in money and power and seem to be giving equal opportunity to screwing people regardless of ethnicity.

  • PistAnarkist
    PistAnarkist

    larc, did you even read my whole thread? So who cares if I typed the wrong computer company, or that I didnt know there was a whole... one was it? ONE black guy on the governing body, or that I didnt mention how the wonderful, land stealing, law making, thought controlling government runs their supposed checks and balances (which is BS). My main point was that I needed a place to release some of the thoughts running through my head and this was the perfect place. If you have nothing better to do than comment on how peoples feelings lose "credibility" because they dont know a couple of minute (and very unrelated) facts, then dont post at all. What next? Are you going to point out typos too? I just wanted to see what people thought about my thoughts..... thats all. Oh and by the way, the U.S. government is a dictatorship..... they're just disguised as a democracy for the benefit of all the hampsters running on those money making wheels. Now does anyone else wish to at least tell me what they think about what I have been pondering?

  • larc
    larc

    Pist,

    You asked for people's thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. I think you view of the government and our society is highly distorted. The average citizen has it better than ever. We are not paupers and we are not slaves. You are way off base.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Pist

    Larc is just helping you to refine your expressions.

    I believe the us govt is becoming more alienated from its citizens. It appears to me that the govt is making moves against its own citizens in the propaganda area. The techniques for influencing the opinions of the masses, and the resources available to do it are legion. While i'm not a chomsky fan, i'll use his term that the consent of the electorate is manufactured to a large degree.

    SS

  • larc
    larc

    SS,

    While it is true that we have to be aware of the influences that government and big business can use to influence our thinking, our problems are small potatoes compared to times past. I am talking about the times when people could barely survive. I am talking about the Robber Barons of the 1800's who raped the land and the people of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and the land and people of the Appalachion region.

    Yes, we have problems. Yes, we have concerns, but we can contemplate them in a home that is far superior to the homes of kings and queens in times past in terms of comfort and convenience.

    So when Pist tells me how terrible and awful we have it today, I just don't buy it.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Larc

    I agree, we have never had it so good. On the other hand, the tactics i mentioned are being used. On the third hand, there is a tremendous revolution going on in the spread of information through the internet. This is doing a huge educational job on all it touches. It is linking up people, empowering them. I see a polarisation in the us. Which way will it go? When people have it good, they gat lax. Decadence follows. The power transfer to the federal govt is accelerating. As it starts to use it more, freedoms may well be cut. If they are, innovation through creativity and free exchange of ideas will wither. If that happens, the country will start to loose its lead in technology fields. Then investors would get nervous, looking for greener pastures. Just possibilities, but i know that all empires that ever existed have fallen. America is becoming an empire.

    SS

  • avengers
    avengers
    In closing, if I sound like a nut to you, I don't care.

    I don't think you're a nut. You're super pissed-off! I am too.
    There are things in your argument that can be questioned though.
    And if there is anything to be questioned then you can damn rely on Larc to do do just that. Personally I think he's a good guy.
    So get your facts straight then you won't have Larc on your back.
    Keep up your research.

    "Few are they that look through their own eyes and feel with their own heart"
    A Einstein
  • NameWithheld
    NameWithheld
    Until I discover the real truth behind the society, I am forced to be a part of a family who considers me to be the lost one. How humorous and yet ironic, in the end I might discover the "truth" after all, but my family will die not even listening to me because that would make me an "Apostate" for trying to open their eyes. Oh well, at least I'm not the one getting screwed by my saviors. It just saddens me that I have to sit by and watch as my family gets stuck in the rut of this cult, wasting their whole (and only) lifetime they have, being restricted and told what to do and how to do it by rich money grubbing a$$holes who are socially destructive through life altering policies. I wish someone out there could help me tell all these poor people the real truth before their lives are completely wasted doing door to door sales for free.

    I feel your pain. I wish I could open my families eyes to the fact that they are nothing more than gocs in a magazine sales force. Being whipped regularly with the guilt chains for not selling MORE MORE MORE. Yet while I'm living my life NOW, they are wasting their's on the off-chance of some eternal reward that's been promised 'any day now' for 120+ years. And I'm the evil one!?

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