WTBTS & Child Abuse - by Friend @ H20

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  • waiting
    waiting

    Posted by Friend <mailto: [email protected]> [Friend] on January 09, 2001 at 17:38:54 {BwZcy8bR/QhxaL3hj3H2OgnjR4Br/g}:

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    What is revealed about the Society’s motivations regarding the reporting (or not) of child abuse? It is revealed that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within JW circles. It is revealed that though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. It is revealed that this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.

    As a religious guide the question the Society must answer is this: Is it right to provide reports of known child abuse to the secular authorities? An additional question is: Is it right to provide reports of suspected child abuse to secular authorities? The Society’s actions demonstrate that they do think it is right to make such reports but they do not apply that conclusion uniformly. What does that mean?

    There is perhaps no argument that one single policy from the Society could practically and uniformly deal with reports of child abuse. Why is that? It is because protection and justice from community to community differs sometimes so significantly that how moral people respond to that authority must differ. For example, some governments and communities in this wide world are prone to executing first and investigating second—if at all. Understandably, in such communities moral people are far more reluctant to report suspected cases of child abuse or even cases that are somewhat evidenced but not evidenced decisively to the levelheaded and reasonable person. But the Society’s actions do not stem from potential injustice or lack of protection from secular authorities. How do we know that?

    Circumstances in the United States actually illustrate well that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence, but its actions in that nation also betray the Society’s real incentive, which incentive has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for children. In the United States it is true that laws addressing child abuse vary from state to state.
    Nevertheless among secular authorities throughout that nation the prudence, protection and justice provided stemming from reported child abuse is pretty uniform in that protection and justice is generally the same from one jurisdiction to another from state to state. But, in the United States admittedly the Society’s action of reporting (or not) of child abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with a jurisdiction’s protective, investigative and/or prosecutorial record and everything to do with penal code! (And not one of those codes prohibits elders [clergy] from reporting known child abuse) That is why the Society tells some elder bodies to report known child abuse and others that they need not report. The question becomes, why would the Society direct elders to report in some jurisdictions but not in other jurisdictions with everything else being equal in terms of protection and justice afforded? There is only one answer and it is the one given above. The Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence.

    If the Society felt otherwise then they would insist that elder bodies act uniformly by reporting known and suspected child abuse throughout the United States and other jurisdictions having a reasonably similar record of prudence, protection and justice from law enforcement authorities. The Society has already demonstrated that reporting known and suspected child abuse is not in violation of any Biblical tenets because in jurisdictions requiring such reporting they tell elders to comply with those reporting laws. So, if there is no Biblical violation then why not report uniformly when protection and enforcement is reasonably equal? Again, there is only one reason and it is one having to do with an ill-conceived notion of preservation. Just what they are trying to preserve is not all that difficult to determine. What is the object of that ill-conceived preservation?

    If theirs was some legitimate Biblical concern about protecting the reputation of God’s name, Jehovah (as if we need to protect Him!), or meeting some Biblical requirement then the Society would have to uniformly either prohibit or require reporting, but that is not what it has done. By instructing some elders to comply with penal code that requires reporting the Society has in essence said, it is morally okay to report these cases. So, if it is moral then why not uniformly report when all else is reasonably equal? The only object of preservation left becomes a selfish one.

    By its deplorable action the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability. The internal strife and anger on this issue runs deep and it is heating up! The Society should have listened to its battery of lawyers years ago when they advised a uniform policy of reporting child abuse when protection and justice is reasonable expected.

    Why did the Society want those letters reproduced on this and other forums held in such strict confidence? Because they betray the Society’s self-interest gained at the expense of children and their families! In the end their interests will suffer over this and other issues.

    That is quite a smoking gun, and it is undeniable!

    Just how deep the Society will yet mire itself in this sordid affair is yet to be seen, but what lay ahead will become even more untenable and nasty unless some major change is enacted by decision-makers at Brooklyn Bethel on a number of key issues into compliance with that which is sound and moral based upon the Bible, most importantly in those issues involving blood and child abuse.

    Friend

    (And a further post:)

    To be more specific, it is the Society’s lack of uniformity within an otherwise uniform system that betrays the actual intention! That is what savvy journalist and truth seekers should focus on regarding those reproduced letters.

    Friend

    Edited by - waiting on 10 January 2001 15:24:53

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    Very interesting. I can only assume the Society will have to make changes to their policy on this and in the near future to their blood stance as well. Its all so very sad to see in happen like this. It would be nice to see them say "we [the society] were wrong" and make changes. I really wish it operated according to the ideals i thought it did.

    The sad thing is all of this not only exposes them as being human, but almost a little devious and self-serving, and i think that is a shame.

    Its nice to see Friend again. He's mentioned this before and I think his honesty and openess on the issue is commendable.

    Path

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy
    I really wish it operated according to the ideals i thought it did.


    As do I, Path. I stated a long time ago on this forum that religion, ALL religion may start out with a noble intention but in the end it becomes chiefly concerned with itself as an entity. It puts its self-preservation ahead of its professed purpose to lead its flock to God and in the end effectively places itself between its flock and the God to which they are supposed to be directed and become the 'dungy idol' so condemned by Scripture. The most formidable impediment to God is organized religion.

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

  • JT
    JT

    Your words are Golden-

    smile

    JT

  • Venice
    Venice

    Well put Frenchy.

    Here's a site with all of the Hot posts on H2O regarding the abuse, peodphile, silentlambs situation.

    http://hometown.aol.com/abaadun/redhoth2oindex.html

    Venice

  • Gozz
    Gozz

    Friend has been an advocate of reform for official policies that have otherwise gone awry. His discussions on the subject of blood and other issues on witnet were insightful. They were respectfully delivered, and he continues to assist those who have, by virtue of interacting on the Net, suffered shock and something akin to betrayal with the organization they have always known. Blood is a little different from the child abuse thing. This one elicits anger and hatred from well-meaning and reasonable people. It is unimaginable and almost unbelievable...

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    given the term "religion" means "coming to gether" (hush Waiting, not that kind) what would a "disorganized religion" look like? The idea that organization inheritantly constrains spirituality or is automatically Machiavellian is a product of protestant prejudice against "the law". Understandably, protestants rebelled against the excesses of Catholocism, but IMHO they painted with too broad a brush when they identified the laws of the church with the laws of God.

    Organization, in and of itself, is not to blame. Pogo got it right, the enemy is us!

    carmel, stepping down off the soap box and taking much deserved bow!

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hey Gozz,

    This one elicits anger and hatred from well-meaning and reasonable people. It is unimaginable and almost unbelievable...

    Speaking of "general" child rape, most people don't want to think about it, hear about it, or even know about it - until it enters your family. Then the choice is the same - but much harder to achieve, because now it affects you and/or a loved one.

    Definitions: "Get over it" is when it happens to someone else. "Disaster" is when it happens to you.

    A religious entity which works hand in hand with the general person's repugnance of thinking about "such things" does no person, especially the children, a service. A religious entity, such as the WTBTS, which holds itself up as Jehovah's Only Channel to Mankind, should have had guidelines for the good of all Jehovah's people in place before guidelines for self-preservation of a corporation.

    Hey Carmel,

    Organization, in and of itself, is not to blame.

    True, but the conceptual organization is made up of humans. They can be held up to blame. If that human organization holds itself up as God's only organization - and death to all who do not join - then they can be expected to back up their words and actions.

    Like Animal Farm, etc., labor unions, Mafia, communism, democrats...... the organization started out with people of common goals, much like Protestants against Catholic tyranny. Then the people became the organization, the organization then needs to exist to take care of the people, and most often, then the people end up supporting the organization at the expense of "some" of the people, if not all of the people - as the organization is an entity of itself, not a group of people.

    I don't think there are many here who disagree with the concept of religion meaning a "coming together" (whatever kind you have in mind, fool) it's when the people are subjugated by the organization. Seems to me there are private beliefs, groups of people, then organizations. Different things.

    waiting

    Edited by - waiting on 13 January 2001 15:27:14

  • joel
    joel

    As an ex-elder...I would just like to reaffirm the fact that elder wish to keep cong. problems "in-house" as much as possible.
    The two witnesses policy is an out often, for not doing what many would otherwise do, according to their conscience...this is true in many areas...not just this topic.

    Pax, joel

  • waiting
    waiting

    Ok, Joel,

    Now you've got my curiosity. May I ask how long you were an elder? Gee, an ex-elder with peace symbols and smiley faces in psychodelic (? spelling) colors. Who would have thought.....

    waiting

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